COVID-19

[The Picnic Wasp]

I'm guessing you must have a Magic Tree in your car.😀

[David L]

......but it's not my place to superimpose my conscience onto other people.....

made me  , that did 

[captainkurtz]

No judgements...but is this a thing now?  People with covid going to gigs?  I think a lot of the fear and nervousness has gone now.  I was lucky enough to avoid it until very late June - and I still had to go out every day and deal with different contractors and a whole load of other things - my busiest few weeks of the year.  Just made sure to keep my distance though.  Not sure whether I'd go to a gig with covid, mind.

[Matt2112]

I think pre-Covid, folk with flu or cold symptoms tended to be mindful they may infect others and act accordingly, particularly at work.

Now there are effective treatments for flu and Covid, perhaps now both viruses are regarded with a similar sort of soft vigilance?

Whether rightly or wrongly, it looks difficult to be certain.

[David L]

This was reported a few days ago. I missed it on the BBC News 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11362165/Covid-likely-leaked-lab-explosive-Senate-says.html

That JVT was yanking our chain with that "jumping from species to species" bollocks, methinks

[David L]

Excess mortality in the UK remains consistently above 15%, equating to an extra 1800 deaths per week (compared to five year average)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/01/crisis-excess-deaths-soar-levels-higher-covid-pandemic/

Same in Europe

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20220916-1


Not seen that up on Huw Edwards' swanky new 'news wall' . Hmmm....

[Slim]

This was reported a few days ago. I missed it on the BBC News 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11362165/Covid-likely-leaked-lab-explosive-Senate-says.html

That JVT was yanking our chain with that "jumping from species to species" bollocks, methinks

"GOP members of the Senate Committee on Health Education, Labor and Pensions reviewed hundreds of studies into the origins of Covid and interviewed 'several dozen' experts over the past 15 months."

I'm reminded that a GOP member of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology once told us that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory were all "lies from the pit of Hell".

As far as I can gather, the scientific consensus is that the virus is of natural origin, therefore I suspect the GOP members referred to here have gone out of their way to look for views to support the conclusion they preferred.

[David L]

This was reported a few days ago. I missed it on the BBC News 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11362165/Covid-likely-leaked-lab-explosive-Senate-says.html

That JVT was yanking our chain with that "jumping from species to species" bollocks, methinks

"GOP members of the Senate Committee on Health Education, Labor and Pensions reviewed hundreds of studies into the origins of Covid and interviewed 'several dozen' experts over the past 15 months."

I'm reminded that a GOP member of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology once told us that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory were all "lies from the pit of Hell".

As far as I can gather, the scientific consensus is that the virus is of natural origin, therefore I suspect the GOP members referred to here have gone out of their way to look for views to support the conclusion they preferred.

In that case, absolutely no reasons for the Chinese authorities to be obstructive to those investigating the Wuhan lab 

[pxr5]

My wife and I eventually had our flu jabs today. We've tried on a few occasions to get one form the official centre, but they never had any to offer. Today we came across a Pharmacy's mobile flu jab vehicle, so we popped in and were sorted in a few minutes. Hopefully that should be it now until next year.

[David L]

This appears to be some months old but extremely interesting in the light of current excess deaths and increasing incidence of heart issues.
Conclusions of a study in Israel suggest that there is no increased incidence of myocarditis or pericarditis in post Covid-19 infected individuals. The study was conducted between March 2020 and January 2021, before vaccines were available.

" We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/

[Slim]

So much conflicting information, as always.

Here's a New Scientist piece that refers to a study which shows that infection with COVID is more likely to lead to myocarditis than the vaccines, in younger males:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/

Here's a study that found that "Overall, the risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination and remains modest after sequential doses including a booster dose of BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine. However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine."

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970

[David L]

However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine."

And higher still, no doubt, after a third or fourth dose

[David L]

 

"Doctor.....I mean, Bill.....Gates" 😆

[David L]

UK Parliament vaccine debate. MP Danny Kruger on point here:

[Slim]

Can't say I agree with much of what he says myself. Actually some of what he says is misleading or untrue, for example he claims that there's "never been a satisfactory explanation" for extending the vaccine programme to the whole population when this was debated, discussed and justified ad nauseam.

I cringed to see my own MP intervening there on a technical point, as if he's an immunologist. And Kruger tells him he's absolutely right. "The best vaccine against COVID is COVID", he says, without a hint of humility or self-consciousness, or indeed expertise.

I'm really not inclined to take matter-of-fact statements like this from two MPs with no background whatever in public health or medicine, especially when an idiot like Kruger who didn't have the sense to wear a face covering on public transport at the height of the pandemic goes on to lecture Chris Whitty about medical ethics.