Football

[Matt2112]

See the What's Made Your Day thread... 

[Slim]

Decent start to the season for Forest. Staying up again.

[dom]

Decent start to the season for Forest. Staying up again.

Great win at the weekend!

[Thenop]

Painful watch, Leverkusen is an XXL team, we are just about a medium. 4 - 0 behind at half time..

[Thenop]

RIP Johan Neeskens, aka Johan Segundo, renowned midfielder, feared as a player as well. Finished a game once after he got kicked in the shin, afterwards the Xrays showed it was broken.

He was one of the great midfielders in the Cruyff era.

73 years, gone too soon. He still worked at the Knvb (Dutch FA) in coaching and training young(er) people.

[Slim]

Oh I hadn't heard, sad to hear that.

[The Picnic Wasp]

RIP Johan Neeskens, aka Johan Segundo, renowned midfielder, feared as a player as well. Finished a game once after he got kicked in the shin, afterwards the Xrays showed it was broken.

He was one of the great midfielders in the Cruyff era.

73 years, gone too soon. He still worked at the Knvb (Dutch FA) in coaching and training young(er) people.

Great player. Hard but fair. He spoke out in support of smaller nations and clubs who don't have the financial power of the giants and I really admire that. I saw his name written as Johan Segon in a Scottish newspaper interview. I didn't understand that and I notice it's different again from the aka reference you mentioned, Nop. Total football. They need to bring that back. A joy to watch. RIP Johan.

[Thenop]

RIP Johan Neeskens, aka Johan Segundo, renowned midfielder, feared as a player as well. Finished a game once after he got kicked in the shin, afterwards the Xrays showed it was broken.

He was one of the great midfielders in the Cruyff era.

73 years, gone too soon. He still worked at the Knvb (Dutch FA) in coaching and training young(er) people.

Great player. Hard but fair. He spoke out in support of smaller nations and clubs who don't have the financial power of the giants and I really admire that. I saw his name written as Johan Segon in a Scottish newspaper interview. I didn't understand that and I notice it's different again from the aka reference you mentioned, Nop. Total football. They need to bring that back. A joy to watch. RIP Johan.

Johan Segundo, being Johan nr. 2 at Barcelona.

[The Picnic Wasp]

RIP Johan Neeskens, aka Johan Segundo, renowned midfielder, feared as a player as well. Finished a game once after he got kicked in the shin, afterwards the Xrays showed it was broken.

He was one of the great midfielders in the Cruyff era.

73 years, gone too soon. He still worked at the Knvb (Dutch FA) in coaching and training young(er) people.

Great player. Hard but fair. He spoke out in support of smaller nations and clubs who don't have the financial power of the giants and I really admire that. I saw his name written as Johan Segon in a Scottish newspaper interview. I didn't understand that and I notice it's different again from the aka reference you mentioned, Nop. Total football. They need to bring that back. A joy to watch. RIP Johan.

Johan Segundo, being Johan nr. 2 at Barcelona.

Oh, seems kind of obvious now that I know the reason, but I'd never have figured it out on my own. Thank you.

[dom]

Picnic Wasp - you say that they need to bring Total Football back but I think its here to stay.

Attackers are generally asked to track back and support the defence when the team is out of possession. Many teams press the opposition and that means attackers have to be able to harry, tackle and close down the opposition just like any defender but at the other end of the pitch.

Full backs have long been required to bomb forward and provide additional width for teams in attack but now they are also increasingly expected to leave their traditional side of the pitch and head into midfield areas and support the team there.

Being able to head, tackle and hoof the ball is no longer enough for centre backs. Now they are recruited for their ball playing skills and ability to start attacks.

Even for goalkeepers it is not enough to be good at shot stopping. They  also have a crucial role to play in in passing it around at the back and they need to be good at playing the ball at their feet as well as their hands. This forces opponents to come out of their traditional shape to get the ball and creates space to forge attacks

[Thenop]

So far so good. 0-2 at half time away at Benfica.. 
Let's see if we can manage to win this one.

[Thenop]

So far so good. 0-2 at half time away at Benfica.. 
Let's see if we can manage to win this one.

This aged well, 1-3 away at Benfica and it was a joy to watch!

[The Picnic Wasp]

Picnic Wasp - you say that they need to bring Total Football back but I think its here to stay.

Attackers are generally asked to track back and support the defence when the team is out of possession. Many teams press the opposition and that means attackers have to be able to harry, tackle and close down the opposition just like any defender but at the other end of the pitch.

Full backs have long been required to bomb forward and provide additional width for teams in attack but now they are also increasingly expected to leave their traditional side of the pitch and head into midfield areas and support the team there.

Being able to head, tackle and hoof the ball is no longer enough for centre backs. Now they are recruited for their ball playing skills and ability to start attacks.

Even for goalkeepers it is not enough to be good at shot stopping. They  also have a crucial role to play in in passing it around at the back and they need to be good at playing the ball at their feet as well as their hands. This forces opponents to come out of their traditional shape to get the ball and creates space to forge attacks

I'm sorry Dom, I hadn't noticed your post until now. Yes, I agree, those tactics and formations have been employed and developed in many leagues across the globe. I guess I was just expressing my disappointment with the football I have to endure closer to home.

My team of choice are usually pretty well set up to play quite creatively but are constantly met by stifling layers of defence against teams only willing to use hoof or chaosball methods to counter any press. That coupled with a regular diet of "confusing" referee and VAR decisions makes for a depressing watch. Maybe I do need to finally pay for some kind of subscription viewing package.

[Thenop]

Feyenoord is on a roll. 2 away wins in the Champions league, 2 away wins in the league, coming Wednesday we get to play Ajax away, and all of that while we still have at least 3 players injured that are normally A team players and internationals.
Bring it one.

[The Picnic Wasp]

Feyenoord is on a roll. 2 away wins in the Champions league, 2 away wins in the league, coming Wednesday we get to play Ajax away, and all of that while we still have at least 3 players injured that are normally A team players and internationals.
Bring it one.

I used to collect football programmes. Somewhere in my loft is a Charlton Athletic programme with a colour photo of Feyenoord inside. I don't know why it was included. The picture is probably late 70s and it made me fall in love with the Feyenoord kit. I've liked its striking look ever since. With the exception of one evening in 1970 of course. If Celtic had been twice winners of the European Cup it would have been something truly special. Oh well. Not to be. Wow! Just Googled Ove Kindvall who is now 81. Fair play to you, sir!