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Started by Slim, February 26, 2022, 07:28:47 PM

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Matt2112

See the What's Made Your Day thread...  ;D

Slim

Decent start to the season for Forest. Staying up again.
H5N1 kIlled a wild swan

dom

Quote from: Slim on September 17, 2024, 08:49:28 AMDecent start to the season for Forest. Staying up again.
Great win at the weekend!

Thenop

Painful watch, Leverkusen is an XXL team, we are just about a medium. 4 - 0 behind at half time..

Thenop

RIP Johan Neeskens, aka Johan Segundo, renowned midfielder, feared as a player as well. Finished a game once after he got kicked in the shin, afterwards the Xrays showed it was broken.

He was one of the great midfielders in the Cruyff era.

73 years, gone too soon. He still worked at the Knvb (Dutch FA) in coaching and training young(er) people.

Slim

Oh I hadn't heard, sad to hear that.
H5N1 kIlled a wild swan

The Picnic Wasp

Quote from: Thenop on October 07, 2024, 03:18:54 PMRIP Johan Neeskens, aka Johan Segundo, renowned midfielder, feared as a player as well. Finished a game once after he got kicked in the shin, afterwards the Xrays showed it was broken.

He was one of the great midfielders in the Cruyff era.

73 years, gone too soon. He still worked at the Knvb (Dutch FA) in coaching and training young(er) people.

Great player. Hard but fair. He spoke out in support of smaller nations and clubs who don't have the financial power of the giants and I really admire that. I saw his name written as Johan Segon in a Scottish newspaper interview. I didn't understand that and I notice it's different again from the aka reference you mentioned, Nop. Total football. They need to bring that back. A joy to watch. RIP Johan.

Thenop

Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on October 07, 2024, 08:30:01 PM
Quote from: Thenop on October 07, 2024, 03:18:54 PMRIP Johan Neeskens, aka Johan Segundo, renowned midfielder, feared as a player as well. Finished a game once after he got kicked in the shin, afterwards the Xrays showed it was broken.

He was one of the great midfielders in the Cruyff era.

73 years, gone too soon. He still worked at the Knvb (Dutch FA) in coaching and training young(er) people.

Great player. Hard but fair. He spoke out in support of smaller nations and clubs who don't have the financial power of the giants and I really admire that. I saw his name written as Johan Segon in a Scottish newspaper interview. I didn't understand that and I notice it's different again from the aka reference you mentioned, Nop. Total football. They need to bring that back. A joy to watch. RIP Johan.

Johan Segundo, being Johan nr. 2 at Barcelona.

The Picnic Wasp

Quote from: Thenop on October 07, 2024, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on October 07, 2024, 08:30:01 PM
Quote from: Thenop on October 07, 2024, 03:18:54 PMRIP Johan Neeskens, aka Johan Segundo, renowned midfielder, feared as a player as well. Finished a game once after he got kicked in the shin, afterwards the Xrays showed it was broken.

He was one of the great midfielders in the Cruyff era.

73 years, gone too soon. He still worked at the Knvb (Dutch FA) in coaching and training young(er) people.

Great player. Hard but fair. He spoke out in support of smaller nations and clubs who don't have the financial power of the giants and I really admire that. I saw his name written as Johan Segon in a Scottish newspaper interview. I didn't understand that and I notice it's different again from the aka reference you mentioned, Nop. Total football. They need to bring that back. A joy to watch. RIP Johan.

Johan Segundo, being Johan nr. 2 at Barcelona.

Oh, seems kind of obvious now that I know the reason, but I'd never have figured it out on my own. Thank you.

dom

Picnic Wasp - you say that they need to bring Total Football back but I think its here to stay.

Attackers are generally asked to track back and support the defence when the team is out of possession. Many teams press the opposition and that means attackers have to be able to harry, tackle and close down the opposition just like any defender but at the other end of the pitch.

Full backs have long been required to bomb forward and provide additional width for teams in attack but now they are also increasingly expected to leave their traditional side of the pitch and head into midfield areas and support the team there.

Being able to head, tackle and hoof the ball is no longer enough for centre backs. Now they are recruited for their ball playing skills and ability to start attacks.

Even for goalkeepers it is not enough to be good at shot stopping. They  also have a crucial role to play in in passing it around at the back and they need to be good at playing the ball at their feet as well as their hands. This forces opponents to come out of their traditional shape to get the ball and creates space to forge attacks