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Music => Rush => Topic started by: Fishy on April 02, 2022, 09:56:31 PM

Title: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Fishy on April 02, 2022, 09:56:31 PM
Ok apart from the obvious Rivendell . Tai Shan possibly Tears.. name your other songs you,d gladly never want to listen to again.. I know some folks might have whole albums here but you get to name 5.

For me
Animate
Double Agent
The Garden
Sweet Miracle
Dog Years
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Nick on April 02, 2022, 10:09:54 PM
No way Animate or Sweet Miracle.


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Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Slim on April 02, 2022, 10:36:05 PM
Not sure I can come up with a definitive five because there are Rush songs that I might not recognise if I heard them, simply because they're awful and I only ever listened to them a couple of times years ago.

I know for sure a few of the S&A songs are unbelievably bad to my ears but not sure which ones .. I think The Larger Bowl was one of them.

Some other stinkers I can think of:

Dog Years
Freeze
Nobody's Hero
Headlong Flight
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Nick on April 03, 2022, 07:49:12 AM
Quote from: Nick on April 02, 2022, 10:09:54 PMNo way Animate or Sweet Miracle.


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Virtuality
Double agent
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Slim on April 03, 2022, 11:32:14 AM
Virtuality's a nice artefact from the early days of the Internet's presence in the consumer domain. Awful song, I agree. Yet nice to have somehow.

I vaguely remember an interview with Neil from around that time in which he made clear he was pouring scorn on the "Internet community", if I can call it that. That seems pretty short-sighted now, I must say.

The idea of a community of Internet users seems a strange thought now, almost like referring to the "television community". But there was a time in the '90s when the World Wide Web, email and so on were the reserve of academics and nerds. It was like a hobby, like amateur radio.

The Internet surely played a huge part in sustaining the career of bands like Rush, not only by allowing them to communicate easily with their consumers via their own website and music news sites, but by providing a medium for fan communities like TNMS and the old rushmessageboard.com.


Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Rufus_the_dawg on April 03, 2022, 11:37:17 AM
Think I'm going bold
Cygnus X1 book 2
Dog Years
The whole of Vapour craps
Most of Presto
Nearly all of Roll the Bones
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: David L on April 03, 2022, 01:46:56 PM
Quote from: Slim on April 03, 2022, 11:32:14 AMVirtuality's a nice artefact from the early days of the Internet's presence in the consumer domain. Awful song, I agree. Yet nice to have somehow.

I vaguely remember an interview with Neil from around that time in which he made clear he was pouring scorn on the "Internet community", if I can call it that. That seems pretty short-sighted now, I must say.

The idea of a community of Internet users seems a strange thought now, almost like referring to the "television community". But there was a time in the '90s when the World Wide Web, email and so on were the reserve of academics and nerds. It was like a hobby, like amateur radio.

The Internet surely played a huge part in sustaining the career of bands like Rush, not only by allowing them to communicate easily with their consumers via their own website and music news sites, but by providing a medium for fan communities like TNMS and the old rushmessageboard.com.



Interestingly, the internet was responsible for my renewed interest in the band in 1997.
I was on a secondment in Paris and quickly had to progress to using a PC for work. Thus I had access to the web and quickly found the 'World Of Rush' website. At that point I'd not really listened to much Rush for a number of years, the music seemed so dated somehow. It was the realisation that there was a very large, active community of fans out there that got me back into the band. The tragic news of Neil's first tragedy reached me via the internet during that time too.
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Matt2112 on April 03, 2022, 02:35:31 PM
Rivendell
Good News First
Bravest Face

That's it for me, but then I'm a fanboi.
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Fishy on April 03, 2022, 07:01:10 PM
Quote from: Matt2112 on April 03, 2022, 02:35:31 PMRivendell
Good News First
Bravest Face

That's it for me, but then I'm a fanboi.

There has got to be more...
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Nick on April 03, 2022, 07:17:53 PM
Quote from: Rufus_the_dawg on April 03, 2022, 11:37:17 AMThink I'm going bold
Cygnus X1 book 2
Dog Years
The whole of Vapour craps
Most of Presto
Nearly all of Roll the Bones

Rules are 5 songs.
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: pxr5 on April 03, 2022, 07:42:19 PM
Mystic Rhythms
Bravest Face
Good News First
Force Ten
The Big Money
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Fishy on April 03, 2022, 09:15:32 PM
Quote from: pxr5 on April 03, 2022, 07:42:19 PMThe Big Money

I'll give u the other 4 but  Big Money..blimey....😂
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Jonners on April 04, 2022, 10:22:02 AM
I would have to break this into 2 eras: Pre and post Peart Tragedy, as I now firmly believe they were two very different bands

Pre Peart: off the top of my head:

Rivendell
War Paint
Alien Shore
Double Agent
Neurotica

To be fair, I would be happy to never hear the whole of RtB again apart from the title track

Post Peart Tragedy:

I would genuiely be happy if I never heard any of those songs ever again, I genuinely hate everything they recorded in those last 3 albums
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Slim on April 04, 2022, 10:42:19 AM
For me some of the tunes on Clockwork Angels are up there with the best of their work, The Anarchist and the title track especially. Very surprising because there's nothing of merit on Snakes & Arrows or Vapor Trails, as you point out.

A new band turning up at a record company with the Vapid Trails tunes on a demo tape would be booted out of the front door in very short order, I would think - and rightly so.
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: dom on April 04, 2022, 02:31:34 PM
I really like VT, songs like Earthshine, the title track and Ghost Rider some really strong songs, but Snakes and Arrows is absolutely abysmal.  Clockwork Angels is really not much better, I find them both really unpleasant to listen to.
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Rufus_the_dawg on April 04, 2022, 02:43:53 PM
Quote from: dom on April 04, 2022, 02:31:34 PMI really like VT, songs like Earthshine, the title track and Ghost Rider some really strong songs, but Snakes and Arrows is absolutely abysmal.  Clockwork Angels is really not much better, I find them both really unpleasant to listen to.

I blame the producer not pushing them.  CA and SA come across has boring American rock to me. Rush could have explored other avenues, fusion, art/post rock in the vein of Mercury Rev or Mogwai and what Dave Fridmann produces.
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Nick on April 04, 2022, 02:47:45 PM
Never get a fanboy to produce you.
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Fishy on April 04, 2022, 09:38:06 PM
CA SA and VT all suffered from being way too long... I always wonder why they  never thought ok 40 mins top..let's stick to that... I'm pretty sure they would have improved by culling quite a few songs from each...
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Rufus_the_dawg on April 05, 2022, 10:10:55 AM
I agree, when Rush went back to shorter songs there were often 3 songs in one, it seemed to me they were stretching their ideas. The songs became less interesting.
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Fishy on April 05, 2022, 04:53:00 PM
Not having listened to these last three albums for a while..if i had to make a cosy 40 minute ish compilation to weed out the duffers..

One Little Victory
Nocturne
Out of the Cradle
Far Cry
We Hold On
The Way The Wind Blows
Caravan
Clockwork Angels

think that clocks in around 43 mins... that would do.. bin the rest... :)
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Nick on April 05, 2022, 05:29:13 PM
Forgot how much i disliked TWTWB.

I think the 3 track run VT, Earthshine and Secret Touch are amongst their 3 run classics.
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: David L on April 05, 2022, 07:22:54 PM
Spindrift honks to high heaven
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: David L on April 05, 2022, 07:32:26 PM
Quote from: Fishy on April 02, 2022, 09:56:31 PMOk apart from the obvious Rivendell . Tai Shan possibly Tears.. name your other songs you,d gladly never want to listen to again.. I know some folks might have whole albums here but you get to name 5.

Far too difficult. RtBs has 5 cast-iron clunkers on it alone. Very little to bother the Ivor Novello panel on that one   ;D
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Nick on April 05, 2022, 08:10:02 PM
Quote from: David L on April 05, 2022, 07:22:54 PMSpindrift honks to high heaven

Best song on the album
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Slim on April 05, 2022, 08:28:13 PM
Is it on VT or S&A? I can only vaguely remember the title.

OK I checked. Actually had a listen for the first 50 seconds but when the vocals kicked in I had to make it stop. Sounds like a tonedeaf person having his fingernails pulled out while trying to sing from a lyric sheet over a song he's never heard before.

Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Fishy on April 05, 2022, 10:13:23 PM
Quote from: Slim on April 05, 2022, 08:28:13 PMIs it on VT or S&A? I can only vaguely remember the title.

OK I checked. Actually had a listen for the first 50 seconds but when the vocals kicked in I had to make it stop. Sounds like a tonedeaf person having his fingernails pulled out while trying to sing from a lyric sheet over a song he's never heard before.



Post of the year.. man that made me laugh.. just brilliant 👍😀
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: David L on April 05, 2022, 11:41:53 PM
Quote from: Nick on April 05, 2022, 05:29:13 PMForgot how much i disliked TWTWB.

I think the 3 track run VT, Earthshine and Secret Touch are amongst their 3 run classics.
Wow! That's a bold statement. I like VT but Earthshine and Secret Touch, not so much. Personally, I'd put both How It Is and Sweet Miracle above those two. Other highlights would be One Little Victory, The Stars Look Down and Out Of The Cradle.
IMHO the songwriting on here tops that of RtBs. The melodies are stronger. Big downsides though: the 'Geddy Choir' is attendant throughout, Alex's solos have gone AWOL, I find the drumming to be mostly perfunctory and it remains one of the worst examples of the audio engineer's art we've ever witnessed. Freeze is a total turkey
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Jonners on April 06, 2022, 12:37:22 PM
Amongst their 3 run classics

I imagine the Band would even object to that comment

Again, top of my head stuff:(apologies if anyone cant work out the shorthand)

TS/RB/YYZ or RB/YYZ/LL

DeW/A/RSA

C/TT/LvS

GD/MP/M or M/T/MD

SoR/FW/JL

S/TAK/C


the list goes on, but compare those to the VT songs and its a first round KO before a punch is thrown
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Fishy on April 06, 2022, 02:30:51 PM
S/TAK/C

Gets my vote😀
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Nick on April 06, 2022, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: Jonners on April 06, 2022, 12:37:22 PMAmongst their 3 run classics

I imagine the Band would even object to that comment

Again, top of my head stuff:(apologies if anyone cant work out the shorthand)

TS/RB/YYZ or RB/YYZ/LL

DeW/A/RSA

C/TT/LvS

GD/MP/M or M/T/MD

SoR/FW/JL

S/TAK/C


the list goes on, but compare those to the VT songs and its a first round KO before a punch is thrown

Just look at them as a continuation or a return to form after the horrors of RTB , Presto and TFE where a strong two song run is a rareity.
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Rufus_the_dawg on April 06, 2022, 09:54:16 PM
Quote from: Jonners on April 06, 2022, 12:37:22 PMAmongst their 3 run classics

I imagine the Band would even object to that comment

Again, top of my head stuff:(apologies if anyone cant work out the shorthand)

TS/RB/YYZ or RB/YYZ/LL

DeW/A/RSA

C/TT/LvS

GD/MP/M or M/T/MD

SoR/FW/JL

S/TAK/C


the list goes on, but compare those to the VT songs and its a first round KO before a punch is thrown

is this post some sort of cross word clue? hehee I am totally confused.
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: David L on April 06, 2022, 10:20:04 PM
is this post some sort of cross word clue? hehee I am totally confused.

I'm only struggling with the last one
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Rufus_the_dawg on April 06, 2022, 10:26:12 PM
Quote from: David L on April 06, 2022, 10:20:04 PMis this post some sort of cross word clue? hehee I am totally confused.

I'm only struggling with the last one

maybe you can answer them for me? bear of small brain you see.
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: Fishy on April 06, 2022, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: David L on April 06, 2022, 10:20:04 PMis this post some sort of cross word clue? hehee I am totally confused.

I'm only struggling with the last one

you could add DM to the last one for a straight classic run of 4...
Title: Re: Duff Rush Songs
Post by: David L on April 08, 2022, 12:35:20 PM
Quote from: Fishy on April 06, 2022, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: David L on April 06, 2022, 10:20:04 PMis this post some sort of cross word clue? hehee I am totally confused.

I'm only struggling with the last one

you could add DM to the last one for a straight classic run of 4...
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