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Between The Wheels => Technology and Science => Topic started by: Slim on January 16, 2023, 03:56:14 PM

Title: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: Slim on January 16, 2023, 03:56:14 PM
https://outsider.com/outdoors/news-outdoors/comet-that-only-orbits-the-sun-every-50000-years-expected-to-be-visible-from-earth/

https://www.space.com/comet-c2022-e3-ztf-january-06-gallery

https://www.space.com/comet-c2022-e3-ztf-messenger-from-outer-solar-system

The Comet C/2022 E3 (ZFT) could put on an amazing show for skywatchers January and February 2023, when it could become visible to the unaided eye in the night sky.

I've just read that it comes around every 50,000 years or so, which means that it was probably seen by our Neanderthal cousins last time it was visible in the night sky (and of course light pollution wasn't a thing in those days). I wonder what life on Earth will look like next time it comes around?
Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: The Picnic Wasp on January 16, 2023, 10:08:01 PM
Mind boggling stuff. The fact that 50,000 years is the blink of an eye as far as the cosmos is concerned is impossible to fathom. I can't see how the mankind we recognise could exist other than in small groups of survivors scattered across the globe. The sheer weight of mouths to feed, climate change, the constant threat of nuclear holocaust, more frequent pandemics or an unpredicted asteroid will surely take a massive toll at some point between now and 52023. On a lighter note, I remember feeling quite thick last time we had a significant comet visit when I discovered the tail didn't trail behind.😂
Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: Matt2112 on January 16, 2023, 10:22:11 PM
A pristinely clear sky this evening for the dog walk with no polluting moonlight; I had this thread in mind as I admired the winter constellations in their pomp, realising that 50,000 years ago the configuration of stars as seen from Earth would have looked very different than they do now (and will do thousands of years from now, of course).
Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: David L on January 16, 2023, 10:39:23 PM
Quote from: Slim on January 16, 2023, 03:56:14 PMI've just read that it comes around every 50,000 years or so, which means that it was probably seen by our Neanderthal cousins last time it was visible in the night sky

..and Keith Richards
Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: Slim on January 17, 2023, 01:49:23 PM
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on January 16, 2023, 10:08:01 PMMind boggling stuff. The fact that 50,000 years is the blink of an eye as far as the cosmos is concerned is impossible to fathom.

Here's a thought - modern sharks, essentially as we know them today, came into existence over 150 million years ago. Some of the shark species that exist today existed in identical form 150 million years ago (source : https://www.sharktrust.org/shark-evolution).

So this comet has been around something like 3,000 times in the night sky while sharks just like those we know today have roamed the waters below. 3,000 of those 50,000 year intervals.

When the Romans invaded Britain about 2060 years ago, the comet was already 96% of the way round its most recent trip round the Sun toward us.





Disclaimer: this assumes that the comet is 150 million years old, which it probably isn't. But if you go with it it does give a sense of the mind-boggling timescales involved.
Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: Matt2112 on January 23, 2023, 08:09:17 PM
Just read it will reach magnitude +5, so it should indeed be easy to spot with the naked eye in reasonable conditions.

I'll take by 10x50s in any case.
Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: Matt2112 on January 31, 2023, 06:21:44 PM
Bit annoying there's a waxing moon high in the sky, but hoping to make a sighting tonight (near Polaris).
Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: Slim on January 31, 2023, 08:59:11 PM
I got a very faint view through binoculars. Glad to have seen it. But not exactly a spectacle. I used Stellarium to gauge its position relative to two other bright objects.

Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: Fishy on January 31, 2023, 10:51:59 PM
Too cloudy here I fear...
Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: Matt2112 on February 01, 2023, 09:50:06 AM
Went to my usual night sky observation point last night, noticing the sky was quite clear to the north.  Didn't have my binoculars and because of the moon couldn't see anything dimmer than +4.

It was very windy and chilly on that exposed vantage point so I didn't stick around; more clouds rolled in anyway, bringing with them squally showers, so a bit of a wash out of an evening really. :(

Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: pxr5 on February 01, 2023, 12:38:44 PM
Oh well, maybe next time  ;)
Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: Slim on February 01, 2023, 01:21:45 PM
Reminds me of when Halley's Comet came around again in 1986. It had previously been seen in 1910. And it's already half way round again.
Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: Matt2112 on February 01, 2023, 01:43:43 PM
I remember Hale-Bopp being a real doozy back in 1997.  Unmissable at almost -2 magnitude and hung in the sky for ages.
Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: Slim on February 02, 2023, 12:32:15 PM
Quote from: Matt2112 on January 16, 2023, 10:22:11 PMA pristinely clear sky this evening for the dog walk with no polluting moonlight; I had this thread in mind as I admired the winter constellations in their pomp, realising that 50,000 years ago the configuration of stars as seen from Earth would have looked very different than they do now (and will do thousands of years from now, of course).

Nice graphic here showing how constellations change over time.

https://www.halcyonmaps.com/constellations-throughout-the-ages/

(https://i.ibb.co/S5kFcHH/constellations-ages.jpg)
Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: Matt2112 on February 13, 2023, 10:55:28 AM
For the first time this month we had semi-decent conditions for a viewing - no moon, clear skies to the south-west - so I took my 10x50s up on to my usual vantage point, in pleasantly cool and still conditions.

According to my app the comet was above and to the left of Aldebaran, about a third of the way up to where Mars is showing.

After around 20 minutes of allowing my eyes to adjust to the dark I believe I saw it, a tiny "smudge" of light, which while very unspectacular was nonetheless gratifying to spot.

Had a good look at the Pleiades and the Orion Nebula while I was there, too - beautiful.
Title: Re: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) Visible next month.
Post by: Matt2112 on February 14, 2023, 01:02:46 PM
Had another look last night, with even better sky conditions and I got to my spot much earlier.

Again, I saw a bit of "fuzz" distinguishable from nearby stars, so while I never expected it to be an awe-inspiring sight in and of itself, my urge to see it has been satisfied.

Looked again at the other nice winter objects, and Jupiter was just above the horizon for me to use the binoculars on as well.

So, all in all a very pleasant evening out! :)