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Between The Wheels => Sport => Topic started by: Slim on November 10, 2022, 02:42:36 PM

Title: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 10, 2022, 02:42:36 PM
England 26-man squad announced

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63585869

First England game .. 11 days time. Can't remember when I've been less excited about an impending World Cup.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 10, 2022, 03:31:00 PM
Agree entirely with your last sentence.

France '98 was the last one I remember being really excited about - even allowing for the fact I went to the 3rd-place play-off for free on a Hilton hotels "fam trip".*  😏

* Croatia 2-1 Netherlands, Parc-des-Princes, Paris
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 10, 2022, 04:33:04 PM
Yes have to say I'm fairly underwhelmed by it all.. will no doubt watch some of it.. but it's just the wrong time of year .. and obviously should never have been given to Qatar to host
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 10, 2022, 05:13:05 PM
Quote from: Fishy on November 10, 2022, 04:33:04 PMYes have to say I'm fairly underwhelmed by it all.. will no doubt watch some of it.. but it's just the wrong time of year .. and obviously should never have been given to Qatar to host
I expect the bungs have long since been spent
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 13, 2022, 08:56:39 PM
Certsin supporters are getting free tickets, flights, hotel accomodation and 60 euro a day spending money on the proviso that they only say positive things about the tournament and Qatar in general
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 13, 2022, 11:36:37 PM
Quote from: dom on November 13, 2022, 08:56:39 PMCertsin supporters are getting free tickets, flights, hotel accomodation and 60 euro a day spending money on the proviso that they only say positive things about the tournament and Qatar in general
That'll be Lineker, Shearer, Neville, Beckham et al, I'm assuming
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 14, 2022, 07:39:04 AM
Quote from: David L on November 13, 2022, 11:36:37 PM
Quote from: dom on November 13, 2022, 08:56:39 PMCertsin supporters are getting free tickets, flights, hotel accomodation and 60 euro a day spending money on the proviso that they only say positive things about the tournament and Qatar in general
That'll be Lineker, Shearer, Neville, Beckham et al, I'm assuming

Think that would be chicken feed for them. Hopefully though the Qatari regime doesn't get a free pass from the World media.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 15, 2022, 09:26:57 AM
Was listening to a radio debate yesterday where the argument was if you watch this at home are you ignoring LGBT rights and effectively supporting Qatar or would not watching it make the slightest bit of difference
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 15, 2022, 10:45:28 AM
I just think that the time for the hand-wringing was when or shortly after Qatar was chosen as the host country, pointless getting upset about it now.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 15, 2022, 11:05:17 AM
Opportunity missed then agreed, but 100s of people hadn't died in the course of building the stadiums and related infrastructure at that point.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 15, 2022, 11:02:24 PM
Quote from: Fishy on November 15, 2022, 09:26:57 AMWas listening to a radio debate yesterday where the argument was if you watch this at home are you ignoring LGBT rights and effectively supporting Qatar
I don't understand that argument at all. It'll be interesting to see just how far the England side will push the LGBGT promotion. They've gone 'big' early with the gay aeroplane. I think that's Duncan Norvelle on the nose cone - good shout, Branson!
Is it possible they'll go down on both knees before kick-off this time? Gotta love Gareth but he's missed a trick not ordering all of the squad to grow moustaches - and it's Movember!
Beckham's blown his free entry to Heaven now, IMHO.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 16, 2022, 10:13:09 AM
The GayPlane and the rest of the posturing is disrespectful to the host nation's culture and I think it's poor form, personally. I can't see how it helps matters in the slightest.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 18, 2022, 12:37:15 PM
Budweiser shafted

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11442203/Qatar-want-alcohol-sales-World-Cup-stadiums-BANNED.html
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 18, 2022, 02:21:10 PM
Quote from: David L on November 18, 2022, 12:37:15 PMBudweiser shafted

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11442203/Qatar-want-alcohol-sales-World-Cup-stadiums-BANNED.html

Good - it's witch piss. 😏
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 18, 2022, 02:33:07 PM
I like it in the summer. Very refreshing.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: The Picnic Wasp on November 18, 2022, 02:54:56 PM
Yeah, Budweiser fine for me too. I take a bit of stick from friends about not having a very educated beer palate. I like most lagers and prefer them to their darker, flatter cousins. I will go for an ale type on occasion when the mood takes me. Sometimes I'll have a craving for a Guinness, but nine beers out of ten it will be lager. Just realised that second sentence onwards is wrong thread territory.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 18, 2022, 05:24:51 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/gWMpwtw/itsquadplane.jpg)

The Italy World Cup squad, waiting to board their plane to Qatar
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 18, 2022, 05:36:13 PM
Been thinking over the past few days exactly to what extent this tournament is tainted by it being awarded ("rewarded" it might be said) to Qatar.

Can the skills, thrills, drama and incident of the actual football matches, in and of themselves, transcend the ethical concerns about the country in which they're taking place?  I suppose the question boils down to the old one about keeping sport and politics in separate domains.

Do any moral considerations preclude enjoyment of this tournament?

I suppose the only way I can find out is by watching it and seeing how these things might resolve themselves; I do this more in trepidation than excitement.  Maybe that balance can shift.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 18, 2022, 05:42:36 PM
Quote from: Matt2112 on November 18, 2022, 05:36:13 PMBeen thinking over the past few days exactly to what extent this tournament is tainted by it being awarded ("rewarded" it might be said) to Qatar.

Can the skills, thrills, drama and incident of the actual football matches, in and of themselves, transcend the ethical concerns about the country in which they're taking place?  I suppose the question boils down to the old one about keeping sport and politics in separate domains.

Do any moral considerations preclude enjoyment of this tournament?

I suppose the only way I can find out is by watching it and seeing how these things might resolve themselves; I do this more in trepidation than excitement.  Maybe that balance can shift.

Re keeping sport and politics seperate, I don't think that is ever possible. Certainly not at this level.

Have a look at FIFA Uncovered on Netflix. Fascinating stuff
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 20, 2022, 04:07:50 PM
Didn't take long for the first goal .. started to get into the World Cup spirit now.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 20, 2022, 05:13:54 PM
Quote from: Slim on November 20, 2022, 04:07:50 PMDidn't take long for the first goal .. started to get into the World Cup spirit now.
I forgot it was on - just turned to BBC1 now and at 2-0.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 20, 2022, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: Slim on November 20, 2022, 04:07:50 PMDidn't take long for the first goal ..
.. to be ruled out by VAR
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 20, 2022, 06:31:26 PM
England straight into the heat of the competition tomorrow with a kick off at 4pm their time. They should be beating Iran comfortably
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 20, 2022, 07:06:03 PM
Qatar look a very poor side at this level, and if the substantial numbers of home (so-called) supporters heading for the exits with pretty much half of the game left a la Old Trafford is anything to go by, their campaign will be a huge damp squib on and off the pitch.  And, it might be said, deservedly so.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 20, 2022, 08:01:17 PM
The BBC getting grief for not showing the opening ceremony (though it was on iplayer apparently)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11449721/Fans-fury-BBC-ITV-fail-World-Cup-opening-ceremony.html
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 20, 2022, 10:04:23 PM
On Iplayer and the red button. People didn't pay their licence fee to have to press red buttons!
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 20, 2022, 10:10:30 PM
I managed about 10 mins of the second half then turned off.. just couldn't be arsed tbh
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 21, 2022, 05:15:03 AM
Quote from: pxr5 on November 20, 2022, 08:01:17 PMThe BBC getting grief for not showing the opening ceremony (though it was on iplayer apparently)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11449721/Fans-fury-BBC-ITV-fail-World-Cup-opening-ceremony.html
It's the BBC - no rainbow flags....no coverage
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 21, 2022, 09:24:33 AM
Glad Southgate has sorted in his mind the place of women in his own little victim hierarchy. ::)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 21, 2022, 09:36:28 AM
Quote from: Matt2112 on November 21, 2022, 09:24:33 AMGlad Southgate has sorted in his mind the place of women in his own little victim hierarchy. ::)

Don't know what this refers to, but it's not the place of the England manager or any of the players to maintain a position on women's issues, LGBT issues or any of the other psychotic virtue-signalling obsessions of left-leaning folk. At least not as a matter of public interest. This must be the BBC's favourite World Cup ever already.

Any day now I'm expecting a campaign to rescind England's 1966 World Cup victory, because we were the host nation and homosexuality was illegal here at the time.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 21, 2022, 10:04:58 AM
For context, there are calls for the England team to make some kind of pre-kick off gesture of solidarity with the women of Iran who are currently suffering violent oppression for not wearing sufficiently pious garments.

But Southgate has said it's not his team's "place" to do that. 

So, yes, either there is about two hours of vapid pre-match kneeling gestures and donning of multiple armbands by his team for every currently oppressed group around the globe, or they can build awareness-raising perfectly well into more practical areas of discourse and just get on with playing the damn matches.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 21, 2022, 11:28:48 AM
Pleased to see that FIFA have cracked down on the rainbow armband nonsense by advising that offending players will be booked, rather than the participating nation simply being fined.

Just accepting the fine and committing the offence is a clear disregard for FIFA's authority, and if you can't respect that - whatever you might think about the underlying issue - you shouldn't be taking part in their competitions.

Needless to say this is the headline issue on the BBC News football site at the moment, accompanied by a video which asks: "How do LGBTQ+ football fans feel about the Qatar World Cup?"
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 21, 2022, 12:09:24 PM
Quote from: Slim on November 21, 2022, 09:36:28 AMThis must be the BBC's favourite World Cup ever already.

Yes, they probably lobbied FIFA to give it to Qatar. An absolute gift
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 21, 2022, 12:30:30 PM
I think it shows that it was no more than gesture politics.  If the threat of a yellow card is enough to stop them taking a stand, it shows that it's not really that important to them.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 21, 2022, 02:07:01 PM
3-0 at half time. Wow, England do look good.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 21, 2022, 02:11:43 PM
Must admit I was half-expecting one of those miserable opening games where we manage a draw against one of the poorest sides in the tournament.

But who knows what the second half will bring? I wouldn't bet against 3-3 but at least we had a good first half.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 21, 2022, 02:58:54 PM
And now 5-1 - and I've just found out that the BBC are showing all their games in UHD (not ITV unfortunately though).

A list of the group games the BBC are showing in 4K HDR:

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/how-to-watch-the-fifa-world-cup-2022-in-4k-hdr-england-games-4283305
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 21, 2022, 03:07:20 PM
Interesting, I wonder how the bandwidth compares with regular HD transmissions? I'd see that as being more significant.

Just worked out that Jude Bellingham wasn't even born when Wayne Rooney made his England debut.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 21, 2022, 04:56:38 PM
Iran about non-league level. Next.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 21, 2022, 06:32:43 PM
Quote from: dom on November 21, 2022, 12:30:30 PMI think it shows that it was no more than gesture politics.  If the threat of a yellow card is enough to stop them taking a stand, it shows that it's not really that important to them.
One yellow trumps One Love  ;D
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 21, 2022, 06:50:29 PM
Wales next. I love the Welsh and I've had some lovely times in that country but as far as football goes I can't ever see past this.

Ideally I'd like Wales to be in a position where they're desperate for a point against England, we've already qualified out of the group but we hammer them anyway. I think an American victory this evening is probably for the best.


Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 21, 2022, 07:37:29 PM
Get in!!
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 21, 2022, 08:12:28 PM
Quote from: Slim on November 21, 2022, 06:50:29 PMWales next. I love the Welsh and I've had some lovely times in that country but as far as football goes I can't ever see past this.

Ideally I'd like Wales to be in a position where they're desperate for a point against England, we've already qualified out of the group but we hammer them anyway. I think an American victory this evening is probably for the best.



I was living in Scotland in 1986 when England played Argentina in that infamous World Cup game. A few of us watched the game in a bar. Every single Scotsman wanted England to lose and cheered against England the whole time. Remember this was only 4 years after the Falkland's war too. I so wished we could have won that game. But that 'support anyone who plays England' mentality is ever common.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 21, 2022, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: dom on November 21, 2022, 12:30:30 PMI think it shows that it was no more than gesture politics. 
See also: 'taking the knee'  ;)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 22, 2022, 08:20:30 AM
Bit confused about why Gareth Bale is rated so highly.. 
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 22, 2022, 08:24:15 AM
Quote from: Fishy on November 22, 2022, 08:20:30 AMBit confused about why Gareth Bale is rated so highly.. 

Absolutely.  He was lauded as some kind of hero last night for...scoring a penalty; overall, he actually had a shocker.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 22, 2022, 09:00:18 AM
Quote from: Fishy on November 22, 2022, 08:20:30 AMBit confused about why Gareth Bale is rated so highly.. 
His greatest skill is hiding the fact that he's bald  ;D
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 22, 2022, 09:25:28 AM
Quote from: David L on November 22, 2022, 09:00:18 AM
Quote from: Fishy on November 22, 2022, 08:20:30 AMBit confused about why Gareth Bale is rated so highly.. 
His greatest skill is hiding the fact that he's bald  ;D
Yes he must spend more time getting his hair right  than contributing in any meaningful way to a game of football...
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 22, 2022, 10:43:16 AM
Found out today that, in the opening game, the captain of Qatar wore an armband supporting Palestine  :-\

Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 22, 2022, 11:17:24 AM
Quote from: David L on November 22, 2022, 10:43:16 AMFound out today that, in the opening game, the captain of Qatar wore an armband supporting Palestine  :-\



That was well publicised !  I thought the Iranian team were brave in not singing their national anthem in an act of defiance for the acts carried out by their Government.  They and their families will be facing the music for that so it was a protest that actually meant something.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 22, 2022, 12:07:47 PM
That was a bit tense! But

(https://i.ibb.co/WGtYtw0/gotcha.jpg)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 22, 2022, 12:10:08 PM
Well done Saudi Arabia..👍seems to be a lot of added time in a lot of the games
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 22, 2022, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: dom on November 22, 2022, 11:17:24 AM
Quote from: David L on November 22, 2022, 10:43:16 AMFound out today that, in the opening game, the captain of Qatar wore an armband supporting Palestine  :-\



That was well publicised !  I thought the Iranian team were brave in not singing their national anthem in an act of defiance for the acts carried out by their Government.  They and their families will be facing the music for that so it was a protest that actually meant something.
Captain's armbands to come?:
US - Star of David
Argentina - Las Malvinas
Brazil - pro Rainforest
Serbia - pro vaccine choice
France - pro Foie Gras
Australia - Foster's Lager
Canada - Red Star of the Solar Federation
:)

Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 22, 2022, 12:13:15 PM
Quote from: dom on November 22, 2022, 11:17:24 AM
Quote from: David L on November 22, 2022, 10:43:16 AMFound out today that, in the opening game, the captain of Qatar wore an armband supporting Palestine  :-\



That was well publicised !  I thought the Iranian team were brave in not singing their national anthem in an act of defiance for the acts carried out by their Government.  They and their families will be facing the music for that so it was a protest that actually meant something.

A passive on-pitch protest far more impactful than any active ones.  There's a lesson there.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 22, 2022, 12:16:08 PM
I have good friends in Serbia, unfair to tar them all with the same brush.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 22, 2022, 12:17:56 PM
Ha ha ha. Argentina unbeaten in 36 games lose 2-1 to Saudi Arabia - and they deserved to win, better side today. I actually agree with that knob Roy Keane too that it wasn't a penalty.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 22, 2022, 02:09:29 PM
Football's getting complicated isn't it?  In the old days I would be delighted to see the underdog winning.  But in Saudi, we have another pretty despicable regime so I had mixed feelings about that result, unfortunately.

So many pundits predicting Argentina as winners of the whole thing.  Pleased that they got egg on their faces, at least.  They could still win it, of course, but it's not looking likely at the moment.

I worry for France.  The last time they went to defend the World Cup they got booted out at the group stage, losing to Senegal and Denmark.  Virtually all of the Senegalese players were born in France and were trained in France.  Not sure if the same is true of Tunisia but I imagine at least some are.  Denmark are looking like a strong team so it's imperative that France, sans NKante, Pogba and Benzema, beat Australia this evening.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 22, 2022, 02:55:10 PM
Come on you Ockers  ;)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 22, 2022, 07:00:57 PM
I hope Poland get binned.. awful performance against Mexico
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 22, 2022, 07:10:58 PM
Ooo err the Aussies have scored first against France. Early days but great to see.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 22, 2022, 07:11:58 PM
Wooooo-hooooo!

;D  ;D   ;D
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 22, 2022, 07:19:55 PM
I can't believe the Aussies will come away with all three points. Actually I think scoring this early in the game was probably an error.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 22, 2022, 07:41:20 PM
:(  :(  :(
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 22, 2022, 07:44:48 PM
No offence to the Aussies but they're a bunch of journeyman playing against elite players. Embarrassing for France to concede, let alone lose the game
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 22, 2022, 07:48:04 PM
Quote from: Slim on November 22, 2022, 07:19:55 PMI can't believe the Aussies will come away with all three points. Actually I think scoring this early in the game was probably an error.

Yes, I thought so.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 22, 2022, 07:49:08 PM
Les Bleus need to wake up here!
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 22, 2022, 07:53:23 PM
Quote from: dom on November 22, 2022, 07:44:48 PMNo offence to the Aussies but they're a bunch of journeyman playing against elite players. Embarrassing for France to concede, let alone lose the game
Impossible to offend an Aussie, without physical contact  ;)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 22, 2022, 09:19:23 PM
Quote from: dom on November 22, 2022, 07:44:48 PMNo offence to the Aussies but they're a bunch of journeyman playing against elite players. Embarrassing for France to concede, let alone lose the game
Spot on in the end. Ho hum. Still it was thrilling to see Australia score first.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 23, 2022, 02:46:56 PM
Sheeet, Japan currently winning 2-1 against Germany with 5 mins left.  :o :o
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 23, 2022, 03:07:47 PM
And they won.. well done Japan .. my guess the scores are taking a right hammering in the last few games..
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 23, 2022, 03:11:47 PM
Boom - get in. Shows how good the England and France efforts were.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 23, 2022, 03:12:32 PM
Brilliant!. The football is enjoyable and the location is not spoiling that. it doesn't even seem that hot out there. I'm sure World Cups held in Italy, the US, Spain etc have been hotter
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 23, 2022, 03:31:28 PM
Quote from: dom on November 23, 2022, 03:12:32 PMBrilliant!. The football is enjoyable and the location is not spoiling that. it doesn't even seem that hot out there. I'm sure World Cups held in Italy, the US, Spain etc have been hotter

Just to clarify the Qatari regime is a pretty despicable one, but the football carries on regardless and is up to now, good to watch
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 23, 2022, 05:56:17 PM
God... Costa Rica are shit...
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 23, 2022, 06:06:09 PM
Ha how much are pundits being paid. Gary Neville and Souness were saying with absolute certainty that the main problem with this Spain team is the lack of goal threat! No wonder Gary failed so miserably as a manager when he was in Spain!
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 23, 2022, 06:30:25 PM
My word. Spain: 82% possession against Costa Rica. That has got to be one of the most one-sided games I think I've ever seen. At least Costa Rica could have shown some aggression, but they were so passive, almost expecting a battering.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 23, 2022, 07:36:27 PM
We all supporting Canada.🙄. they're doing very well at the mo... apart from the penalty save...
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 23, 2022, 07:57:15 PM
The officials have given them almost nothing, including somehow not awarding a stonewall penalty even after a VAR review. >:(
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 23, 2022, 09:27:49 PM
Canada deserved at least a draw there. Yes, they didn't help themselves with some very frustrating overhit set pieces and wayward finishing, but they often took the game to Belgium with some attractive football and major decisions which looked blatantly wrong went against them.

Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 24, 2022, 09:25:52 PM
No way was that a penalty for Portugal. Ronaldo diving is better than Tom Daley, what a to$$er. And why didn't VAR step in - football really needs to sort this out, it's a joke.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 24, 2022, 10:11:11 PM
Brazil second goal..WOW...
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 25, 2022, 06:55:30 AM
I think Queiroz is right here. Very unfair for the BBC journalist to ask the Iranian player such a politically charged question that could have endangered the player and his family.

Surely it breaks the BBC charter that is bring so heavily advertised at the moment...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/24/carlos-queiroz-iran-confronts-media-southgate-afghanistan-world-cup
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 25, 2022, 06:56:46 AM
Quote from: Fishy on November 24, 2022, 10:11:11 PMBrazil second goal..WOW...

It was brilliant. Strange that he rarely shows that kind of  ability when playing in the Premier league.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 25, 2022, 10:47:08 AM
Not watching the wales game but is Gareth's hair ok?
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 25, 2022, 11:48:53 AM
Quote from: Fishy on November 25, 2022, 10:47:08 AMNot watching the wales game but is Gareth's hair ok?
Bun Watch:

With each game the bun is slowly making its way towards his forehead  ;D
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 25, 2022, 12:11:03 PM
After that result he can spend even more time with his hair..
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 25, 2022, 12:20:29 PM
Enjoyed that one.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 25, 2022, 12:52:33 PM
98th and 101st minute goals. Tough on Wales. It's looking like a bit of a damp squib for them after the 64 year wait.  Not that they weren't already, but they will now be even more desperate to put on a good show against England.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 25, 2022, 01:01:30 PM
Wales were pretty shit tbh - did they even have a shot on goal? Iran always had the edge and were deserving winners.

Now to watch Qatar go out.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 25, 2022, 03:39:25 PM
I believe there's an improbable chain of circumstances that would see Wales go through to the knockout stages; obviously it includes beating England in their last group game.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 25, 2022, 04:15:30 PM
Bale missing in action again.. time they binned him.. talisman indeed.. just an overrated nothingness of a player..
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 25, 2022, 04:29:16 PM
Bale hasn't actually played much football this year, no wonder he's a bit off. I heard earlier that he'd had more minutes on the pitch with Wales in 2022 than with the two clubs he's played for in the same time period combined.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 25, 2022, 05:59:19 PM
Ecuador looked impressive against a tiring Dutch team. 1-1 probably fair in the end, but that's Qatar out.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 25, 2022, 06:27:28 PM
Sticking with Maguire? Think that will prove to be a mistake
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 25, 2022, 06:57:54 PM
Quote from: Slim on November 25, 2022, 03:39:25 PMI believe there's an improbable chain of circumstances that would see Wales go through to the knockout stages; obviously it includes beating England in their last group game.

Here's one such possibility I've just worked out before events overtake my calculations. Here's the table at the moment.

(https://i.ibb.co/44BmkBC/grpbtable221125.png)

Let's say ..

England / USA draw tonight
Iran / USA draw on Tues
Wales beat England on Tues

USA would go out on three points.

The other sides all have four points .. but Wales' goal difference would necessarily be better than Iran's by at least one goal.

Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 25, 2022, 09:00:56 PM
The curse of ITV - England always play crap on ITV (also will someone smack Roy Keane please - what an annoying cock). Very poor form with few chances on either side, but at least we didn't lose (see Germany and Argentina). Maguire probably England's best player. Onwards and upwards (hopefully).
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 25, 2022, 09:17:04 PM
USA much the better team, and for England another show of the type of dreary Southgate snoozeball they lapse into against half-decent opposition.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Nickslikk2112 on November 25, 2022, 09:26:21 PM
YEW-ESS-AY! YEW-ESS-AY! YEW-ESS-AY!

Didn't watch it and haven't watched a single game of this overhyped World Cup of Soccerball, but you've got to LOL  :) It doesn't mean as much to people as the media make out.

Had to laugh before Ingerland's game with Eyeran too, as the BBC approached the school where Mrs S works to film the pupils watching the game - it's Harry Maguire's alma mater - they were told a very firm NO! as the pupils would be in lessons.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 25, 2022, 11:31:27 PM
I should know this but I don't. Does goal difference count above head to head when seperating teams on the same points?

If so England are pretty much safe. If head to head is prioritised England still have work to do
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 26, 2022, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: dom on November 25, 2022, 11:31:27 PMI should know this but I don't. Does goal difference count above head to head when seperating teams on the same points?

If so England are pretty much safe. If head to head is prioritised England still have work to do

Yes it does. The worst thing that can happen realistically is that Wales go home gloating that they've beaten England, but we'd still go through unless they were to put four past us with no reply.

But I think they only need to win, irrespective of the score, to go through themselves - as long as Iran / USA is a draw. The last games in the group are simultaneous so it should be fun.


Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 26, 2022, 12:44:05 PM
A good win for Australia - played with a lot of passion and heart, great stuff.

As an aside, I've not seen a single England flag anywhere this World Cup Normally you see them hanging out of windows or clip-on ones on cars. I wonder why.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 26, 2022, 02:20:37 PM
So the Saudi players all got a Rolls Royce when they beat Argentina. I wonder what they'll get if they get to the next round or even further - maybe a small island somewhere.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 26, 2022, 03:34:38 PM
Quote from: pxr5 on November 26, 2022, 02:20:37 PMSo the Saudi players all got a Rolls Royce when they beat Argentina. I wonder what they'll get if they get to the next round or even further - maybe a small island somewhere.

Perhaps a cruise liner a few hundred metres off the coast where Saudi's rules that prevent indulging yourself in certain vices don't apply (a la professional golfers).
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 26, 2022, 07:04:41 PM
Mbappe was on a different level to everyone else on the pitch and he didn't even have the greatest of games. He needs to be playing every game if France are to progress far in the competition he can't afford to lose a game through injury or suspension
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 27, 2022, 09:34:48 AM
Japan vs Costa Rica this morning; not a very interesting fixture on the face of it but if the Japanese win they will progress to the knockout stage leaving Spain and Germany to fight it out for the remaining place. But Spain could lose to Germany tonight and still go forward by beating Japan on Thursday, unless the Germans score 6 or 7 goals against Costa Rica. Or Spain.

Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 27, 2022, 03:34:49 PM
Wow - Japan losing and then Morocco beating Belgium (who are oddly the 2nd seeded team). This WC is certainly throwing up some strange results. The last games in each group are going to be interesting.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 27, 2022, 03:48:13 PM
Caught the second half of Belgium vs Morocco, hence saw both goals.

Looked a thoroughly deserved win and a stirring match-winning performance.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 27, 2022, 03:58:29 PM
The story of the World Cup so far is that there's a lot of inconsistency about. Iran rubbish against England, much better against Wales. Costa Rica awful in their first game, much stronger in their second. England very convincing, then lifeless. Japan terrific against Germany, didn't turn up against Costa Rica.

Maybe Spain will have a rubbish game later on.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 27, 2022, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: Matt2112 on November 27, 2022, 03:48:13 PMCaught the second half of Belgium vs Morocco, hence saw both goals.

Looked a thoroughly deserved win and a stirring match-winning performance.

Belgium got very lucky against Canada and really didn't deserve the 3 points. Didn't see the game today but it looks that ran out today.

Canada seem to be getting over that loss. Wonderful cross and header for their 1st goal in World Cup finals
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 27, 2022, 06:02:51 PM
Well, a result slightly unfair on Canada's showing again today, but Croatia were impressive, their quality exposing Canada's weaknesses more as the game progressed.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 27, 2022, 06:03:25 PM
Three black pundits covering the Canada v Croatia game, no mention of the blindingly obvious regarding the Croatian team. Thought they'd have had a deep-dive into that one. Bit weird, especially at this competition. I reckon they're only interested in the low-hanging fruit.
The Croatians must be in the running for one of the least-diverse caucasian teams. Poland and Wales are up there too just edging out the Danes.
C'mon Gary, get on your bloody soap box and order them to be more inclusive
  :-\
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 27, 2022, 08:34:30 PM
If Germany do lose against Spain (1-0 at the mo), they can still qualify as Japan lost to Costa Rica. So if Germany beat Costa Rica and Spain beat Japan Germany have a chance of qualifying - grrr.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 28, 2022, 01:49:34 PM
I really enjoyed the Cameroon v Serbia game - but a draw hasn't done either of them a favour. Ghana playing well against South Korea too; 2-0 at the moment but I foresee more goals.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 28, 2022, 02:33:29 PM
What I'd quite like is for two of the sides playing each other in the last game to just need a draw each, then come to a tacit agreement on the pitch, Austria / West Germany style. Would be shameful, but massively entertaining.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 28, 2022, 09:18:56 PM
Can't decide whether I like Portugal or not... I don't think I do tbh
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 28, 2022, 09:23:28 PM
I don't think I do.

Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 28, 2022, 09:27:38 PM
I know I don't.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 28, 2022, 10:19:03 PM
Me either. I think Ronaldo makes them dislikeable
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 29, 2022, 11:03:55 AM
He must have known he didn't get a touch of that ball on its way to the goal, and at the very least he must have known it wouldn't have made a difference even if he did think it had brushed past his beautifully gelled locks.

Anyway - I don't have high hopes for Eng / Wales tonight. We don't actually need to win or even draw, whereas for the Welsh this is their last stand at a World Cup for who knows how many decades and they do have a chance to progress if they win.

I have to wonder if the England players really feel the same passion and pride for their flag and identity that the Welsh boys do. And if they don't, to a degree perhaps that's natural; it comes from being one of the smaller nations in a country dominated by the big one.

Although I think 32 countries is too many at a World Cup I do like the certainty that two dropping out of every group at the end of the group stage brings.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on November 29, 2022, 11:15:04 AM
Quote from: Slim on November 29, 2022, 11:03:55 AMHe must have known he didn't get a touch of that ball on its way to the goal, and at the very least he must have known it wouldn't have made a difference even if he did think it had brushed past his beautifully gelled locks.

I said to the missus "he didn't touch that". Peacock
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 29, 2022, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: dom on November 28, 2022, 10:19:03 PMMe either. I think Ronaldo makes them dislikeable
Yes the fact he tried to cheat his own team mates over that goal last night makes him a bit of cunt really
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 29, 2022, 12:43:07 PM
Permutations for tonight. USA have to win but a draw might be enough for Iran if Wales don't manage to win. Wales hoping for a draw in the other group game and then a win against England will put them through. England have the easiest task.  Ensure they don't lose by 4 goals. If that extremely unlikely event happens, England will be definitely out. One of those evenings when you need a screen for each eye.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 29, 2022, 01:18:55 PM
Imagine Wales go one up in the first half .. they cling on doggedly to their lead in the second half.. USA and Iran play out a drab 0-0 that ends after 93 minutes but there's still another 12 minutes of stoppage time in the Wales / England game .. if the boys in red can just hang on .. they're struggling to get the ball out of their half .. it's like the Alamo .. Wales concede a corner in the dying seconds of the game although in truth, the ball didn't touch Williams and it should have been a goal kick .. Trippier floats it in  .. it's chaos in the six yard box .. Maguire just manages to connect with it with a glancing header and the ball rebounds off the far post, then in off the back of Danny Ward's head .. the ref blows up .. England and Iran are through to the knockout stage! Thanks for coming, Wales!

Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 29, 2022, 01:24:15 PM
I like it.  Not sure Maguire does glancing though? He might crash a header against the crossbar and then in off Ward's head
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 29, 2022, 03:07:55 PM
This stage onwards the World Cup start to get far more interesting..Iran or USA deserve to go thru with England  .. they've played much better football than drabby Wales and Bale is average at best
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 29, 2022, 03:27:24 PM
Start with a straining-at-the-leash Foden and England might cruise to a victory tonight.

Drop Sterling tonight, preferably at Hamad International where he can revel in his role as a spare part on a Farnborough-bound Learjet.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 29, 2022, 08:59:09 PM
Good second half from England; showed up Wales for being the worst team in the tournament they surely are. 

Sorry...were. 😬😉
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 29, 2022, 09:00:04 PM
Bale invisible....
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on November 29, 2022, 09:01:24 PM
Easy in the end. Punters saying Wales played with passion - no they were poor, really poor. Bale and Ramsey mia again. Neither should have started.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on November 29, 2022, 09:13:16 PM
It's a shame Bale got taken off in the second half. Wouldn't have made a difference and that's probably his last international game. And who knows, maybe he'd have come up with one of those special moments.

This was my 2112th post!
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 29, 2022, 11:10:41 PM
Wales very ordinary and England dispatched them with relative ease. Tougher tests await but I think Southgate's men will be there or thereabouts come the middle of December
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on November 30, 2022, 05:58:24 PM
Deschamps' decision to rest 9 players for the Tunisia backfired somewhat although the rest may prove beneficial over the tournament. A few of the replacements didn't cover themselves in glory and probably won't feature again. Felt very sorry for Tunisia to have beaten the World Champions and still get knocked out.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pdw1 on November 30, 2022, 06:09:02 PM
Shock news - French B-team beatable.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 30, 2022, 06:24:01 PM
I hope Poland get about 10 put past them.. been bloody awful and dull as fuck .. not keen on Argentina either really...
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 30, 2022, 07:43:08 PM
Quote from: Fishy on November 30, 2022, 06:24:01 PMI hope Poland get about 10 put past them.. been bloody awful and dull as fuck .. not keen on Argentina either really...

Take it all back .. ridiculous penalty fuck the argies..
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on November 30, 2022, 09:18:46 PM
The whole Poland team are the equivalent of Gareth Bale.. no football ability at all and completely missing in action .. France probably don't need to turn up and they'll still get thru to the next round....
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on November 30, 2022, 10:30:16 PM
Poland simply rolled over and hoped for the best - perversely, it worked. 

They deserve to go out in the next round.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 01, 2022, 10:22:13 AM
Final Group E games tonight, a bit more interesting than the Group F games this afternoon. Obviously Germany must win to clear the group stage, but if Japan can manage a draw against Spain, the Germans will need to have won by two goals. I hope the Spanish play for a draw, which is all they need.

(https://i.ibb.co/3cWZ2Rs/groupe.png)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 01, 2022, 10:56:41 AM
Sometimes the games that look a bit meh turn out to be some of the more competitive ones with plenty of goals...
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 01, 2022, 11:38:50 AM
For me the World Cup is always about the group stage. I love having four games in the same day.

The 2026 competition will have 48 teams. Far too many, 24 would be about right. But maybe there'll be a second group stage again.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 01, 2022, 05:01:19 PM
Number 2 seeds Belgium out. One goal in 3 games really is poor form.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 01, 2022, 05:17:57 PM
That was tough for Lukaku. He won't sleep well tonight
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 01, 2022, 05:20:09 PM
Yes, sad to see. Although I didn't want the Belgians to get out of the group at Croatia's expense.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on December 01, 2022, 06:17:04 PM
Quote from: dom on December 01, 2022, 05:17:57 PMThat was tough for Lukaku. He won't sleep well tonight
Should be fined for wilful damage to property. Spoilt brat
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 01, 2022, 06:29:28 PM
missed that.  What did he spoil?
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on December 01, 2022, 06:47:11 PM
Quote from: dom on December 01, 2022, 06:29:28 PMmissed that.  What did he spoil?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/sport/world-cup-belgium-romelu-lukaku-b2237210.html
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 01, 2022, 08:12:06 PM
Japan have levelled against Spain, raising my hope that they'll keep that they'll keep Germany out of second place.

Bloody hell they've got another one!
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 01, 2022, 08:13:34 PM
Japan.. bloody hell👍😀
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 01, 2022, 08:16:34 PM
Christ! Costa Rica level it in the other game.

The scales are tipping away from Germany's chances of making it out of the group, but I think they'll have tipped back in another 30 minutes.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 01, 2022, 08:20:38 PM
OMG what is happening? Japan and possibly Costa Rica going through - hopefully. But wow anything could happen yet.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 01, 2022, 08:27:10 PM
Fuck me, Costa Rica 2 1 Germany as I type

Germany have work to do now. And as things stand, Spain are out as well :o
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 01, 2022, 08:29:36 PM
Costa Rica now ahead.. bloody hell😀
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 01, 2022, 08:30:48 PM
Germany level now, and all that needs to happen for them to get out of the group is for Spain to score. On balance I think they will.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 01, 2022, 08:43:59 PM
Germany in front now, no surprises there. But they need Spain to score!

Proper drama. Less than 5 minutes to go.

Shame Spain don't seem to have taken their foot off the gas. They're safe.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 01, 2022, 08:48:39 PM
7 minutes of added time, that will be agony for the Japan fans.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 01, 2022, 08:58:02 PM
Joyous watching Germany trying to score another goal when it's a lost cause. Amazing night.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on December 01, 2022, 08:59:39 PM
Quote from: Slim on December 01, 2022, 08:58:02 PMJoyous watching Germany trying to score another goal when it's a lost cause. Amazing night.
sauerkrauts
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 01, 2022, 09:08:10 PM
Great for Japan, but that did look out - but apparently goal-line cameras caught it being in. Shame for Germany - NOT
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 01, 2022, 09:09:28 PM
Well done Japan .. auf weidersehen Germany
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 01, 2022, 09:20:56 PM
Cracking night of football that, certainly the best game day so far.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 02, 2022, 10:24:18 AM
Reaction in Der Spiegel, auto-translated by Google.

The small piece about the Japanese goal argues that it's probably valid. But mostly it's all about the team's failure, and Bierhoff and Flick not taking responsibility.

Must say the Google translation service has done a brilliant job here - it reads very naturally. A couple of minor failures -"DFB-Aus" has not been translated because it should have been rendered as two words, "DFB - Aus". And "DFB-Elf" is of course "DFB eleven". "But that's Der Spiegel's fault.

(https://i.ibb.co/HdV9mGN/german-wc-reaction.png)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 02, 2022, 10:57:28 AM
Jens Lehmann:

"There were some distractions about all the things going in Qatar, human rights and things like that. And the Germans right now they are hyper-critical because they think they always have to deal with other people's problems."

"We need to focus on the tournament, we need to focus performing really well, because there are millions of fans like myself, and we were expecting a little more than getting knocked for the second time in a row."
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 02, 2022, 12:57:29 PM
No worries, England are going to win the World Cup 2-0 against Portugal

Absolute Proof - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/im-time-traveller-know-england-28625911
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 02, 2022, 05:42:57 PM
Congrats to South Korea, a super end to the game - and to put Uruguay out as well, a bonus. Getting rid of that cheating twat Suarez.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 02, 2022, 08:27:36 PM
A bonkers game between Serbia and Switzerland. 3-2 so far for the Swiss. Great that both teams are really going for it though. At the moment any of Serbia, Switzerland or Cameroon can go through with Brazil.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 02, 2022, 11:14:53 PM
Fell asleep through much of Cameroon vs Brazil (been a long week) but awoke to see the last 20 minutes.  Pleased Cameroon won the game and they can leave the tournament on a high - unlike shithouses Uruguay, of course.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 03, 2022, 09:14:01 PM
Bums. Going to form at the moment with both USA and Australia losing. It was so close at the end for the Aussies - I would have loved to see extra time. A real shame about that soft goal they gifted to Argentina too.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 03, 2022, 09:35:40 PM
I enjoyed that one. The 'roos gave a good account of themselves but Argentina were undoubtedly good value for their win.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 04, 2022, 09:47:57 AM
Yes, very enjoyable game: Messi still looking on a different level to everyone else and an exciting plot twist in the latter stages.  Dramatic, crucial save to deny Australia right at the end.  Great stuff.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 04, 2022, 04:58:16 PM
Poland playing like they expected to lose. France were good of course, but the Poles were dire.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 04, 2022, 05:04:27 PM
Mbappe takes your breath away. Both with his pace and the power and accuracy of his shooting
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 04, 2022, 05:05:23 PM
Would anyone fancy Stones and Maguire up against Mbappe and Giroud?

Thought not. :-\
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 04, 2022, 07:30:01 PM
Not pretty
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 04, 2022, 07:37:50 PM
Not looking good - I tell you, it's the ITV curse:

https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/30/england-fans-fears-over-itv-curse-striking-again-for-world-cup-2022-17851801/
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 04, 2022, 07:46:20 PM
One decent move by England and now they appear to have kicked into gear
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 04, 2022, 07:48:12 PM
Bellingham is a special player
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 04, 2022, 08:55:39 PM
I take it back - a good win in the end and the curse of ITV maybe gone for good (I'd still prefer to watch on the BBC)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 04, 2022, 09:20:08 PM
Was pleased to see England manage the game in the second half, pinging the ball around themselves. Subdued the temperature of the match nicely.

But wow - if the Senegal fans can do this, why can't we have the Black and White Minstrels back?

(https://i.ibb.co/VHXXJZ0/sene-whiteface.jpg)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 04, 2022, 10:26:10 PM
Snoozeball with errors and misplaced passes for most of the first half but a change of style and two well-worked quick-fire goals knocked the stuffing out of Senegal.

Managed the game well second half.

The next test will be fascinating; prevail in that and England have a great shot at winning the competition.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on December 04, 2022, 11:44:12 PM
Quote from: Matt2112 on December 04, 2022, 10:26:10 PMSnoozeball with errors and misplaced passes for most of the first half but a change of style and two well-worked quick-fire goals knocked the stuffing out of Senegal.

Managed the game well second half.

The next test will be fascinating; prevail in that and England have a great shot at winning the competition.

If Southgate has any sense, the instruction will be "nobble Mbappé in the first 5 minutes"....Giroud in the second 😆
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 05, 2022, 09:29:46 AM
Quote from: David L on December 04, 2022, 11:44:12 PM
Quote from: Matt2112 on December 04, 2022, 10:26:10 PMSnoozeball with errors and misplaced passes for most of the first half but a change of style and two well-worked quick-fire goals knocked the stuffing out of Senegal.

Managed the game well second half.

The next test will be fascinating; prevail in that and England have a great shot at winning the competition.

If Southgate has any sense, the instruction will be "nobble Mbappé in the first 5 minutes"....Giroud in the second 😆

Fine in theory, but you have to catch him first. :)

Walker lost his duels with Sarr last night, so that doesn't bode well.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 05, 2022, 06:14:53 PM
A shame for Japan, but their penalties were awful. Croatia have a history of doing well at ET and penalties, so I suppose Japan can only blame themselves for not going for the win in normal time. Both teams looked tired by the end, which only helps their next opponents - likely to be Brazil.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on December 05, 2022, 07:00:37 PM
Quote from: Matt2112 on December 05, 2022, 09:29:46 AMWalker lost his duels with Sarr last night, so that doesn't bode well.
Yes, that was easily noticed
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 05, 2022, 08:33:57 PM
As if Brazil haven't been dazzling enough, I have a decent-ish Samsung telly and no amount of tweaking in long shots seems to reduce the "glare" from their day-glo yellow. :o

Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 05, 2022, 09:30:21 PM
Do we really need a dance from them after every goal ffs...
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 05, 2022, 10:23:01 PM
For the amount of time all that took they should have all been booked.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 06, 2022, 01:05:16 PM
The Koreans should have kicked off and scored a goal in an empty net whilst the Brazilian tarts pranced around the side lines.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 06, 2022, 02:25:30 PM
Morocco vs Spain is the last chance of a shock in this round.  I think its a possibility too.  I put Portugal vs Switzerland as evenly matched even though tradition would say that Portugal are the stronger side.  They haven't shown that so far and if they persist with Ronaldo I think they will perform poorly.  His ego is getting in the way of everything at the moment.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 06, 2022, 03:28:00 PM
Morocco defence and goalie way too complacent. This is Spain they are playing, not Wales!
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 06, 2022, 05:52:50 PM
Wow Spain gone ...was not expecting that ...terrible penalties from them..
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 06, 2022, 05:58:23 PM
I really thought Morocco had a chance. They were superb defensively. With Switzerland or Portugal coming up in the quarters they could well end up in the semis
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 06, 2022, 06:27:03 PM
Wow@Spain - Who would have thought? Terrible penalties by Spain (apparently practiced a 1000 each before). That final Moroccan penalty was just taking the piss.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 06, 2022, 08:15:43 PM
Oh how Spain wished they'd played like Portugal are right now (currently 3-0, 4-0 against Switzerland).
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 06, 2022, 08:16:44 PM
Was not expecting this. I really thought it was going to be a very tight affair.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 06, 2022, 09:55:58 PM
Morocco have only conceded 1 goal in 4 games (including the penalty shoot out with Spain), and it was an own goal against Canada.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 07, 2022, 09:40:08 AM
2 days without a game now .. what are we going to do now😀
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 09, 2022, 05:24:45 PM
Pleased to see Neymar score there. I think Croatia were playing for penalties.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 09, 2022, 05:28:49 PM
Quote from: Slim on December 09, 2022, 05:24:45 PMPleased to see Neymar score there. I think Croatia were playing for penalties.
Yeah I wanted Croatia to win, but the better team gave more. I also think there should be a rule that a team can't go through twice in a row on penalties (I know it's daft, but at least teams would try a bit harder - as it is a team could win the WC final without actually winning a knockout game in normal time/et).

:EDIT: As I sent this post Croatia scored - blimey
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pdw1 on December 09, 2022, 05:54:17 PM
And Brazil are out  ;D
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 09, 2022, 05:55:07 PM
Quote from: pdw1 on December 09, 2022, 05:54:17 PMAnd Brazil are out  ;D
Good no more stupid dancing .. Croatia deserved it..
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 09, 2022, 06:09:15 PM
Well I thought Brazil had it in the bag when they went one up in extra time, considering the number of shots on goal their opponents had managed. Shocker.

Used to be you could pretty much rely on either Brazil or (West) Germany turning up in the final.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: captainkurtz on December 09, 2022, 06:48:28 PM
Croatia missed their chance to do a samba at the full time whistle..
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 09, 2022, 06:58:00 PM
Quote from: captainkurtz on December 09, 2022, 06:48:28 PMCroatia missed their chance to do a samba at the full time whistle..
Good teams don't need to do any of that shit😀
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 09, 2022, 09:04:44 PM
This World Cup is ace lol, as The Netherlands equalise haha - brilliant.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 09, 2022, 09:06:11 PM
Unreal!
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 09, 2022, 09:09:02 PM
Why are the Argentinians constantly talking to the referee (Spanish btw) and other officials? It shouldn't be allowed.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 09, 2022, 09:11:08 PM
Unbelievable Jeff.

It's got rather feisty, too.

Cracking entertainment.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 09, 2022, 09:18:08 PM
Come on Holland....
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on December 10, 2022, 05:01:29 PM
Morocco!  ;D
Ronaldo scuttles off down the tunnel in tears. Couldn't bring himself to congratulate the victors. Great player but zero class. Spoilt brat
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 10, 2022, 05:09:06 PM
Fantastic for Morocco, superb defending - but what a shock. And they've still only conceded 1 goal (an own goal).
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on December 10, 2022, 08:29:13 PM
Referee is having a good game.....for France
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on December 10, 2022, 09:05:40 PM
England gave a great account of themselves tonight, probably had more of the play but were battling the ref for a large part.
The pressure got to Kane, unfortunately.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 10, 2022, 09:06:15 PM
Who knows who would have won that match in a fair contest? If I had to bet the house I'd say England, but we'll never know who should be playing Morocco in the semi-final.

We go home unbeaten. We were playing 12 men; that wasn't a meaningful game of football.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 10, 2022, 09:07:22 PM
Take it on the chin Slim! England were the better team tonight but couldn't do what mattered
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on December 10, 2022, 09:09:43 PM
It would be remiss of me not to say, nice pink boots and some great armbands. Who knows how much further we'd have got if it was only about the football  :-\
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 10, 2022, 09:12:13 PM
The "foul" on Saka that led to a goal, wasn't one. Upamecano got the ball. Kane was fouled outside the box for the pen in the first half that wasn't given.

Bellingham must be in with a shout as moaner of the tournament. Impressive for such a young player
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 10, 2022, 09:14:07 PM
I suppose you'll all be wearing fezes now!
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 10, 2022, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: dom on December 10, 2022, 09:14:07 PMI suppose you'll all be wearing fezes now!

It would be a shame for the World Cup, for Football and for Sport if France were to go through to the final because they haven't actually earned a place in the semis. There's no way, therefore, for them to be meaningful winners either of that match, or the final.

But we'll never know if Morocco would have beaten England so ultimately, through no fault of their own, they wouldn't have earned a place in the final either. So I don't really care if they beat France or not; it's not really a legitimate contest. It means very little in truth.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 10, 2022, 09:23:57 PM
Which incidents led to the ref deciding the game for France?
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Nickslikk2112 on December 10, 2022, 09:25:19 PM
Bukayo Saka, where is he from? Where is he from?

Didn't watch it, but saw some of the BBC's text feed. People were moaning about fouls on Saka not being given, I was wondering why they were concerned about a Frog being fouled...

At least we should be free of shit BBC headlines like "Kane levels Rooney's goal scoring record" Levels? Equals more like. Do illiterate seppos work for less than illiterate Brits?
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 10, 2022, 09:33:23 PM
Bums, better team lost tonight :( . Oh well at least I can relax and enjoy the WC a bit more now. England are doing well in the cricket though. :)

P.S. I want a Croatia v Morocco final now.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 10, 2022, 09:56:11 PM
Same old story - not good enough.  Simple as.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 10, 2022, 10:25:19 PM
Quote from: Matt2112 on December 10, 2022, 09:56:11 PMSame old story - not good enough.  Simple as.
One of the 5th-8th best team in the world though - maybe.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: The Picnic Wasp on December 11, 2022, 12:00:47 AM
Really thought England were going to do something memorable this time. Their play up to this game reminded me of the Germans in previous tournaments. Quite calm and clinical. No doubt the media will savage them tomorrow onwards. Harry Kane not hitting a one hundred and ninety two square feet target from spitting distance is mesmerising. £200,000 per week. Every week. Even this week.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on December 11, 2022, 08:28:36 AM
Quote from: pxr5 on December 10, 2022, 09:33:23 PMP.S. I want a Croatia v Morocco final now.
Definitely not in FIFA's plans, I'd say
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 11, 2022, 09:32:19 AM
30 years of hurt will have been doubled to 60 by the next World Cup unless England win the Euros in Germany.

Baddiel and Skinner will be approaching or past retirement by then (much like ourselves)

Why has England been incapable in all that time? Meanwhile, he club game has  never been stronger.

I suppose the foreigners will get the blame!
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 11, 2022, 09:45:19 AM
You'd think listening to some of those pundits that life as we know it had just stopped.. guess what I woke up this morning and the world keeps turning..
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 11, 2022, 10:32:04 AM
Quote from: dom on December 11, 2022, 09:32:19 AM30 years of hurt will have been doubled to 60 by the next World Cup unless England win the Euros in Germany.

Baddiel and Skinner will be approaching or past retirement by then (much like ourselves)

Why has England been incapable in all that time? Meanwhile, he club game has  never been stronger.

I suppose the foreigners will get the blame!

Well, this year we can say that it's got nothing to do with the performance of the team on the pitch. Football is not 11 men against 12.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 11, 2022, 10:50:24 AM
The ref didn't send the ball into row Z when England had a penalty. It wasn't up to the ref to stop Griezmann from crossing or Giroud from meeting the cross. It wasn't the ref who sent a powerful header the wrong side of the post. Etc, etc, etc. I fear disappointment is clouding your judgement a little.

Kudos to the person who modified the wikipedia entry for the ref from last night's game.

Apparently the French referee is looking for his guide dog to be returned 😁
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pdw1 on December 11, 2022, 11:01:25 AM
Quote from: Fishy on December 11, 2022, 09:45:19 AMYou'd think listening to some of those pundits that life as we know it had just stopped.. guess what I woke up this morning and the world keeps turning..
yes but your Scottish.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 11, 2022, 11:03:50 AM
I thought some of the "fouls" that weren't given were just examples of the French player being stronger - including the Saka incident.  The Kane incident was a foul but with the initial contact just outside the box.

England created very little from open play but were (rightly) awarded two penalties.  But France had more nous in the moments when it was most needed and where it most mattered.

And in one of the sub-plots, Mbappe answered the question if he could rinse Walker for pace pretty definitively.

As one excellent post-match article puts it: England believed; France knew.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 11, 2022, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: pdw1 on December 11, 2022, 11:01:25 AM
Quote from: Fishy on December 11, 2022, 09:45:19 AMYou'd think listening to some of those pundits that life as we know it had just stopped.. guess what I woke up this morning and the world keeps turning..
yes but your Scottish.

Yes we just get on with disappointment...
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: The Picnic Wasp on December 11, 2022, 04:27:41 PM
Quote from: Fishy on December 11, 2022, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: pdw1 on December 11, 2022, 11:01:25 AM
Quote from: Fishy on December 11, 2022, 09:45:19 AMYou'd think listening to some of those pundits that life as we know it had just stopped.. guess what I woke up this morning and the world keeps turning..
yes but your Scottish.

Yes we just get on with disappointment...

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 😁
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: The Picnic Wasp on December 11, 2022, 04:29:19 PM
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on December 11, 2022, 04:27:41 PM
Quote from: Fishy on December 11, 2022, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: pdw1 on December 11, 2022, 11:01:25 AM
Quote from: Fishy on December 11, 2022, 09:45:19 AMYou'd think listening to some of those pundits that life as we know it had just stopped.. guess what I woke up this morning and the world keeps turning..
yes but your Scottish.

Yes we just get on with disappointment...

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 😁

Despite the neighbours.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 11, 2022, 04:47:09 PM
Quote from: dom on December 11, 2022, 10:50:24 AMThe ref didn't send the ball into row Z when England had a penalty. It wasn't up to the ref to stop Griezmann from crossing or Giroud from meeting the cross. It wasn't the ref who sent a powerful header the wrong side of the post.

You must know that the entire match wasn't decided on these events alone, surely? We weren't beaten in a fair contest and we'll never know who should rightfully have won the World Cup this year.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: The Picnic Wasp on December 11, 2022, 04:58:13 PM
Blame Wales. Ukraine should have been handed it and the contest played for second place.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 11, 2022, 05:49:24 PM
Quote from: Slim on December 11, 2022, 04:47:09 PM
Quote from: dom on December 11, 2022, 10:50:24 AMThe ref didn't send the ball into row Z when England had a penalty. It wasn't up to the ref to stop Griezmann from crossing or Giroud from meeting the cross. It wasn't the ref who sent a powerful header the wrong side of the post.

You must know that the entire match wasn't decided on these events alone, surely? We weren't beaten in a fair contest and we'll never know who should rightfully have won the World Cup this year.

They were the key moments of the match and they were far more relevant than any questionable decisions. Had much more of an impact than any wrong call by the man in black.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 11, 2022, 05:51:06 PM
Are you allowed to say man in black these days? 🙄
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 11, 2022, 05:54:11 PM
 ;D Probably not, I won't tell if you don't.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on December 11, 2022, 06:47:56 PM
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on December 11, 2022, 04:58:13 PMBlame Wales. Ukraine should have been handed it and the contest played for second place.
Indeed. Still time for Zelensky to make the presentation to the winners though 😁
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: The Picnic Wasp on December 11, 2022, 09:24:58 PM
Also, blame our national "anthems". Whenever I hear La Marseillaise I honestly wish I was French. I listened to Bravado from the Clockwork Angels tour tonight. What a beautiful song. The lyrics are probably a bit too close to the truth of what Scottish independence might be in reality, but imagine a nation getting behind a tune that isn't a hymn to Charlie the unfaithful husband. Some sort of unity in Glasgow my beloved city would be a start though. Reach for the stars, eh?
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Nickslikk2112 on December 11, 2022, 09:46:03 PM
England's anthem ought to be Manowar's HAIL TO ENGLAND, the England soccerball team could take to wearing furry nappies too. That'd inspire them.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 11, 2022, 10:20:39 PM
Quote from: dom on December 11, 2022, 05:49:24 PMThey were the key moments of the match and they were far more relevant than any questionable decisions. Had much more of an impact than any wrong call by the man in black.

You must know that's not true, come on Dom. France made it through to the semi only because of consitently unfair refereeing, I have no doubt about that. It's possible France would have edged their way through in a fair contest, I won't deny that. I think it's improbable on balance, but we'll never know.

Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 11, 2022, 10:42:44 PM
I absolutely don't believe that to be the case. The referee was poor I don't deny but not to the degree that he changed the course of the match. All of the big decisions ended up being correct once VAR had its say.

Over the 90 minutes England were the better team but France more clinical.   The ref didn't change that. He didn't decide to make France more clinical and England less so. That was down to the players and managers.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 11, 2022, 11:38:04 PM
OK Dom, I accept that your perspective coincides very nicely with what you'd find most convenient. You genuinely believe it, and perhaps you also think that referees don't really have an influence on football games. I'll accept that you honestly believe these things if you like, though many wouldn't, and we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: The Picnic Wasp on December 11, 2022, 11:53:19 PM
I genuinely believe that in certain parts of the world (ahem) referees have a not so secret agenda. Alex Ferguson made a hugely revealing statement in an STV documentary when he was the manager of Aberdeen. Referees can very often influence the results of games. Personal hatred, bigotry, sectarianism, Brexit, empire building history, racism. You name it. Certain groups will always suffer from this, there's no real protection and England are definitely high on the hated list. Ask Eurovision (except this year). 😁
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 12, 2022, 02:06:10 AM
Quote from: Slim on December 11, 2022, 11:38:04 PMOK Dom, I accept that your perspective coincides very nicely with what you'd find most convenient. You genuinely believe it, and perhaps you also think that referees don't really have an influence on football games. I'll accept that you honestly believe these things if you like, though many wouldn't, and we'll just have to agree to disagree.

When Henry handled the ball in 2009 against Ireland and wasn't spotted by the ref and his assistants was an example of poor referring influencing the result of a match. Another time was Schumaker nearly beheaded Battiston in 1982 and wasn't even booked. schumaker went on to be the hero for West Germany in the penalty shootout. I'm sure there are plenty of others too. Such as when a ref sends undeservedly sends of a player or the reverse.

He was a poor ref but not to the extent that he adversely affected the game in France's favour. I thought his biggest error was not giving a fk to England 30 yards out when Saka was fouled. He could also have booked Greizmann a foul or 2 earlier than he actually did. Neither decision altered the course of the game in any meaningful way imo.

The big calls were spot on even if he didn't call them right originally.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 12, 2022, 01:30:27 PM
The referee dished out three yellow cards to French players - one of those before half time to Griezmann - compared to one for England, very late on to Maguire.  He correctly awarded two blatant penalties to England, whereas the more debatable decisions - chiefly when Saka was floored by the stronger physicality of his opponent and when Kane was challenged just outside the box - were just that: debatable, hence he understandably wasn't as certain about those marginal decisions as he was rightly totally certain about the penalties.  Also, with England players aggrieved about those sort of decisions, any decisions against them that quickly followed - as they did - were seen through a skewed lens of injustice against them.  So the referee, who I would agree didn't have a great game, nonetheless wasn't as bad as the likes of Gary Neville bitterly ranted about.

So what of the actual players who did or didn't influence the game in key moments?  Well, the most prominent example for all to see, which also represented the match in microcosm, was the contrast between Griezmann - France's best player who demonstrated his considerable class throughout and swung into the box the delivery of the tournament - and Bellingham, the feted golden boy of English football, who toiled and huffed and puffed and was exposed against truly world class opposition as a far from finished article; to be fair, he didn't ask for all the hype, but neither did he deserve it.

And then there was Maguire vs. Giroud; the former actually looking fairly comfortable, the latter anonymous - until they weren't, with that killer winning goal.  But that's what separates canny Champions from plucky contenders.       

This is the article to which I referred earlier - hits the nail right on the head with every sentence:

France overcame England because champion teams win the big moments (https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2022/dec/11/france-overcame-england-because-champion-teams-win-the-big-moments)

QuoteWith one bullet in the gun, Giroud did his job and Kane failed to do his. But the game was also won and lost in the smaller moments: the moments when France simply flexed their imperial strength, reached into their database of solutions and made their vision flesh.

QuoteEngland rose to the occasion. France had no need, for the occasion was already France-sized. England were brave. France had no need to be brave, as their default level of courage was already sufficient. England believed. France knew.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 12, 2022, 02:28:00 PM
Classic Guardian, that. Sorry, but it's been written for no other reason than to mock and belittle this country.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 12, 2022, 03:13:15 PM
Not read it then - it's actually brimming with compliments and pride about England's display.  But admits it simply wasn't enough.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 12, 2022, 03:38:21 PM
It's a great article and I really like the reference to Real Madrid.  So many Champion league victories when they weren't the best team in the tournament.  In the World Cup the same has been true of Germany and Italy in past tournaments. Just that bit of nous that seems to count more than pure ability. 
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 12, 2022, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: Matt2112 on December 12, 2022, 03:13:15 PMNot read it then - it's actually brimming with compliments and pride about England's display.  But admits it simply wasn't enough.

I read a few paragraphs until my stomach started to turn. I'm sure the compliments are only there as a sort of insincere credibility vehicle for the usual Guardian foreigner-worshipping anti-British stance.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 12, 2022, 03:56:43 PM
I won't give a detailed response as it will move the discussion into politics but that's nonsense
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 12, 2022, 04:12:58 PM
I'm sure it looks that way to you, but it certainly isn't.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 12, 2022, 04:36:39 PM
Same paper, same day, different sport - spot the Brit bashing?

QuoteMark Wood blew through Pakistan either side of lunch on the fourth day to claim a nervy 26-run win in the second Test and a famous series victory.

England had won two Tests on Pakistani soil before this tour but in the space of two weeks, and after last week's ransacking of Rawalpindi, they have now doubled this. Ben Stokes and his band of ultra-aggressors will head to Karachi for the series finale that starts on Saturday with an unassailable 2-0 lead and another chapter in their remarkable transformation secured.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 12, 2022, 10:00:00 PM
It's a fair point although not the same writer. I don't think I'm wrong, but let's not labour the point. I apologise for sidetracking the topic.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 13, 2022, 09:07:06 PM
I actually fancied Croatia to turn over the Argies but they were comprehensively outsmarted and ultimately dismantled, with, almost inevitably, Messi treating the football world to more decisive flashes of genius.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 13, 2022, 10:55:19 PM
Croatia, a lot of old legs who had played a lot of minutes in the last few weeks. Tough for Modric to create with his team so lacking in pace.

Argentina do appear to be improving as well. Saving their best to last?
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 14, 2022, 11:08:28 AM
Quite nervous about the semi final.  I really hope that France don't underestimate the Moroccans. They are an excellent team who defend well and play good football.  Better than the Greek team who won the Euros back in 2004 for example so they absolutely can go all the way.  It will be a proper test and France will need to be at their best to win.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 14, 2022, 11:38:54 AM
Yes, France can't just turn up and expect Mbappe, Griezmann and Giroud to win the game for them - they must factor in counter-measures against an extremely confident Moroccan side who have applied themselves superbly in this tournament.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 14, 2022, 01:59:23 PM
Enjoyed last night's game. That was the climax of the tournament for me to be honest; I can't in good faith ascribe any legitimacy or importance to the rest of the games. I'll probably watch one or both but they're essentially friendlies to me.

To those of you who feel differently - enjoy the showbiz.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 14, 2022, 03:29:05 PM
Quote from: Slim on December 14, 2022, 01:59:23 PMEnjoyed last night's game. That was the climax of the tournament for me to be honest; I can't in good faith ascribe any legitimacy or importance to the rest of the games. I'll probably watch one or both but they're essentially friendlies to me.

To those of you who feel differently - enjoy the showbiz.

It's as valid a tournament as any other even the one (in 82 I think) where  West Germany beat Austria 1 - 0 to ensure that both qualified - a game with 0 corners and only the 1 attempt on goal.  Or in '66 when a team were awarded a goal when the ball didn't cross the line.

And if you really want injustice, see this

https://www.planetfootball.com/nostalgia/a-forensic-analysis-of-byron-morenos-refereeing-in-italy-v-south-korea-2002/

After this game, there was worldwide condemnation of the referee, even though the underdog was the team that benefitted, today's cries of injustice for the England France didn't match the levels back then.

The admittedly poor referring in the  England France game didn't even BEGIN to come close to that!
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 14, 2022, 03:44:28 PM
Enjoy the games then. By the way as far as I remember that Austria / W Germany was played - and officiated - quite correctly and to the letter of the rules of the game.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 14, 2022, 03:51:19 PM
Quote from: Slim on December 14, 2022, 03:44:28 PMEnjoy the games then. By the way as far as I remember that Austria / W Germany was played - and officiated - quite correctly and to the letter of the rules of the game.

The conduct of the players brings the tournament into question though

especially as the German goalkeeper in that game later deliberately seriously injured a player in the semi final of the same tournament and didn't even  have a free kick as penalty.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 14, 2022, 04:48:27 PM
Both Upamecano & Rabiot are out of the semi tonight to be replaced by Konate and Fofana.  Upamecano struggled at times in the quarter so maybe its not a bad thing. Rabiot was getting better by the game though so its a pity he's out.  Also a pity though that Saliba didn't get the nod.  I think he would have acquitted himself well.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 14, 2022, 07:06:14 PM
I don't think the referee in the England France game was biased, just poor. And unfortunately those poor decisions affected England. I'm sure there were bad decisions he made that helped England at times, but just not at crucial moments.

As much as I dislike the ITV punditry I have to agree with them that the Argentinian penalty wasn't a penalty. In fact it could have gone to Croatia, in the way the forward took out the goalie. I know they went to an observing referee who said it was 100% a penalty, then to me the rules of the game are wrong if something like that can be given. I've watched it over and over and I simply don't get it at all. Why doesn't VAR step in in these situations?
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 14, 2022, 08:03:44 PM
This is a good game. France ahead but Morocco very much in it.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 14, 2022, 08:06:17 PM
It is a good game, better than yesterdays.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 14, 2022, 08:59:41 PM
Credit to Morocco, they were excellent. France saved their best defensive for today and just as well. Just as with England, France probably weren't the better team but were more clinical.

Argentina do have better individual quality with Messi and Alvarez than Morocco possess but I'm not sure they are a better team than the lions
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 14, 2022, 10:12:43 PM
Morocco were very entertaining to watch and their desire and application was rousing and plain for all to see; they will have gained many admirers from their performances in this tournament.

But France - bloody hell, they did it again; finding a way to win, with it struck me a fair amount of luck with the bounce of the ball in the box.  I suspect that may run out against the Argentinians, who will find the French out.

By the way, I thought Mbappe's melodramatic reactions when he was on the end of some robust but fair tackles were dreadful, particularly his little cynical looks to the referee to see if his pathetic con act had been successful. 

That's one of the reasons why this will be remembered as Messi's tournament.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 14, 2022, 10:45:08 PM
I get you about Mbappe, more Ronaldo than Messi in that regard.

For me though its Griezmann's tournament. He seems to have taken on the Pogba and N'kante roles all by himself and is doing better than either in both. Always in the right place, blocking a cross or a player in and around his penalty area, picking up a lose pass in midfield and moving the ball forward. He can equally be found on either wing, delivering a killer cross into the opposition box. Always been a good player but this deeper role has shown him to be sensational

Will be a traversty if he is not player of the tournament.   
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 14, 2022, 11:08:37 PM
Another excellent article from Barney Ronay on the man himself...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/14/antoine-griezmanns-devilment-gives-france-the-edge-when-it-matters
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 15, 2022, 09:05:35 AM
Yes getting really fed  up with the histrionics on tackling when players go down looking as if they've hit by a sniper .. also the wrapping your foot round  the leg of an opponent and falling down looking for the foul .. so cheating really...
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 17, 2022, 10:46:01 AM
England could still win this edition of the World Cup... honestly!

If 4 players from each side are sent off in today's 3rd 4th play-off, the game would have to be abandoned and the match declared nul and void. The same happens again tomorrow in the final and the World Cup would be awarded to the quarter finalist with the best disciplinary record in the tournament.... England.

So any true England fan will be hoping for 2 very card happy refs in the next 2 matches 😁
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 17, 2022, 11:18:26 AM
My favourite game in the whole tournament was Wales vs Iran. Neither of the next two games will be as interesting or enjoyable for me.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 17, 2022, 01:02:10 PM
Although the 3rd-place play-off is pretty meaningless it still tends to produce an entertaining game, with both sides freed up to express themselves.

That was certainly the case for this match during France '98 - Croatia vs Netherlands - which I attended (for free). :)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 18, 2022, 01:22:41 PM
Hope France can win today...
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 18, 2022, 01:33:26 PM
So, the final is upon us; featuring two of the world's best footballers on opposing teams, but who are team-mates at Paris St. Germain, a club owned by an outfit called...Qatar Sports Investments.

You, um, couldn't write it...

 ;)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 18, 2022, 03:19:39 PM
Not keen on either, but I hope France can win today.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 18, 2022, 03:36:27 PM
Going quite well so far
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 18, 2022, 03:46:02 PM
Deschamps has taken Dembele off before half time. Very disappointing for the lad.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 18, 2022, 03:56:41 PM
Something off with the French team. Barely incapable of stringing 2 passes together. Argentina winning every loose ball. France distinctly 2nd best and looking off colour.

The second Argentinan goal was beautifully made but they had so much time and space to make it.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 18, 2022, 04:01:34 PM
It reminds me of the '98 final between France and Brazil when there was all that controversy about Ronaldo pre match. Brazil just didn't turn up and France won very comfortably
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 18, 2022, 04:17:01 PM
Seven minutes into the second half and at the moment it's not looking like a Game of Two Halves, unless you mean a Game of Two Very Similar Halves.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 18, 2022, 04:20:18 PM
The subs have made a slight difference but France still looking way below what you would expect of them
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 18, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
I guess this is what happens when you're forced to play with eleven men
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 18, 2022, 04:24:20 PM
Half an hour left, next goal is Game On or Game Over.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 18, 2022, 04:37:14 PM
Griezmann gone, that's the final nail for me. He seemed like he had just started playing
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 18, 2022, 04:41:02 PM
Have to wonder if Deschamps knows what he's doing or he's just desperate? He has a face like a Dogue De Bordeaux chewing a guepe at the moment.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 18, 2022, 04:43:07 PM
Well I hope security are looking for the sniper in the stands.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 18, 2022, 04:43:31 PM
He's not the prettiest that's for sure
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 18, 2022, 04:44:44 PM
This was not in the script!
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 18, 2022, 04:45:58 PM
Well that was a surprise  :)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 18, 2022, 04:47:06 PM
France ... WOW👍
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 18, 2022, 04:50:35 PM
The half time steroids have kicked in
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 18, 2022, 05:05:29 PM
Quote from: Slim on December 18, 2022, 04:43:07 PMWell I hope security are looking for the sniper in the stands.

The same one that did his work in the first half? Almost exactly the same spot too!
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 18, 2022, 05:45:52 PM
Fucking Hell!! What a game. Pity it's to be decided by pens
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 18, 2022, 05:49:02 PM
Blimey great game. Bring on the pens. Come on France👍😀
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 18, 2022, 05:57:57 PM
Well done Argentina. Pleased France made a game of it. Think France lost it in the first hour.

The tournament saved the best 'til last.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 18, 2022, 06:08:11 PM
Really exciting, but a shame for France after fighting back like that. There was something definitely off with the French early on though.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 18, 2022, 06:19:21 PM
Bad luck France...
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 18, 2022, 06:24:26 PM
What a final!!

For one reason or another, France were atrocious for 80 minutes until someone put 50p in Mbappe.

Fairy tale end for Messi - can't begrudge him that.

Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 18, 2022, 06:40:58 PM
Hate to see a massive tournament decided by penalties, especially with a final as good as that one. But I was glad to see Argentina come out on top. They definitely deserved it over the whole game.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: The Picnic Wasp on December 18, 2022, 07:34:56 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed that from start to finish. I'm glad Messi finally got to tick the remaining box. I thought that the movement and skill displayed for Argentina's second was magnificent. I think it will be quite a while before I can tolerate an SPFL game after sitting down to such a feast of talent.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Nickslikk2112 on December 18, 2022, 08:39:26 PM
Thank goodness that's all over. There's much more in the World than Soccerball.

Oh, and well done Argies :) France? Never been a soccerball nation.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 18, 2022, 08:55:13 PM
 ;D Have England?

After all, that was France's 4th World Cup Final and they are yet to lose one (even though they only got to bring back the trophy twice)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: David L on December 18, 2022, 09:32:27 PM
Quote from: dom on December 18, 2022, 08:55:13 PM;D Have England?

Blah, blah, blah 1966. Blah, blah, blah Bobby Moore. Blah, blah, blah, Wembley. Blah, blah, blah Sir Alf Ramsey. Blah, blah, blah 1966
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 18, 2022, 09:42:06 PM
Reality check: Football is an English game.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Nickslikk2112 on December 18, 2022, 09:49:54 PM
Quote from: dom on December 18, 2022, 08:55:13 PM;D Have England?
Who codified it

QuoteAfter all, that was France's 4th World Cup Final and they are yet to lose one (even though they only got to bring back the trophy twice)
Happen so, but the French would be much happier bringing home the world Petanque trophy. They like to think road cycling's a French sport, but when did they last win the TdF?
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: dom on December 18, 2022, 10:17:38 PM
Quote from: Nickslikk2112 on December 18, 2022, 09:49:54 PM
Quote from: dom on December 18, 2022, 08:55:13 PM;D Have England?
Who codified it

QuoteAfter all, that was France's 4th World Cup Final and they are yet to lose one (even though they only got to bring back the trophy twice)
Happen so, but the French would be much happier bringing home the world Petanque trophy. They like to think road cycling's a French sport, but when did they last win the TdF?

Ouch that hurts. Especially considering how well England/Wales have done in the TDF recently.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Slim on December 18, 2022, 11:29:11 PM
This is a screengrab from the FIFA site, then hosted by yahoo.com, that I took at the end of the 2002 World Cup.

(https://i.ibb.co/s5tvF7F/wcup2002-e.jpg)
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 19, 2022, 02:56:06 AM
Thanks James - I remember going in to work early and having a breakfast sandwich with my colleagues for one of the England games.

As for the rest of that tournament - I remember the Brazilian Ronaldo making an impact, but little else.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: captainkurtz on December 19, 2022, 12:40:30 PM
Argentinian goalkeeper is a knob.  Could he not have been shown a red for throwing the ball during the shoot out?  Whatever, terrible sportsmanship.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 19, 2022, 01:24:06 PM
Agreed - he did get a yellow card for unsportsmanlike conduct during the penalty shootout; but it appeared he received a verbal warning initially, then was carded for a subsequent incident, when he should have received two yellows.

Aside from that the officials were actually very good.
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 19, 2022, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: captainkurtz on December 19, 2022, 12:40:30 PMArgentinian goalkeeper is a knob.  Could he not have been shown a red for throwing the ball during the shoot out?  Whatever, terrible sportsmanship.

Yeah saw that... very poor and jumping all over the line before the ball was kicked..
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Matt2112 on December 19, 2022, 05:02:58 PM
Was all that as annoying as that deranged Qatari shill FIFA twat making sure his pound shop Thunderbird puppet head was in every camera shot during the trophy presentations. :-\
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: pxr5 on December 20, 2022, 02:27:37 PM
"Argentina's third goal in World Cup final should have been disallowed, regulations state"

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/argentinas-third-goal-in-world-cup-final-should-have-been-disallowed-regulations-state
Title: Re: The FiFA World Cup, Qatar 2022
Post by: Fishy on December 20, 2022, 10:51:11 PM
Yeah France should have won