But for a substantial minority, it isn't. And as we grow older, we're more likely to be in the minority.

Quote from: Slim on June 09, 2022, 11:43:30 PMBut for a substantial minority, it isn't. And as we grow older, we're more likely to be in the minority.

And when I'm older and more vulnerable, I will probably be in the queue, confident that adequate time has passed for me to have made a more informed decision on the safety of the jab I'm about to receive.

Quote from: David L on June 09, 2022, 11:52:39 PM

Quote from: Slim on June 09, 2022, 11:43:30 PMBut for a substantial minority, it isn't. And as we grow older, we're more likely to be in the minority.

And when I'm older and more vulnerable, I will probably be in the queue, confident that adequate time has passed for me to have made a more informed decision on the safety of the jab I'm about to receive.

How low does the risk have to get? 0.000000000000001%?

The risk of moderate to severe Covid symptoms manifesting themselves is far greater than any from any vaccine in circulation.

My seasonal flu jab last winter gave me far worse symptoms than any of my three Covid jabs - the plural of anecdote is not data, sure, but I don't believe I'm untypical.

Yes, that's the important point. The vaccines are the safer option. Less anti-social, as well.

Quote from: Matt2112 on June 10, 2022, 12:11:19 PM

Quote from: David L on June 09, 2022, 11:52:39 PM

Quote from: Slim on June 09, 2022, 11:43:30 PMBut for a substantial minority, it isn't. And as we grow older, we're more likely to be in the minority.

And when I'm older and more vulnerable, I will probably be in the queue, confident that adequate time has passed for me to have made a more informed decision on the safety of the jab I'm about to receive.

How low does the risk have to get? 0.000000000000001%?

The risk of moderate to severe Covid symptoms manifesting themselves is far greater than any from any vaccine in circulation.

My seasonal flu jab last winter gave me far worse symptoms than any of my three Covid jabs - the plural of anecdote is not data, sure, but I don't believe I'm untypical.

If you're happy, I'm happy. Wouldn't dream of preventing you from exercising your freedom of choice

Quote from: Slim on June 10, 2022, 12:14:58 PMYes, that's the important point. The vaccines are the safer option.

For me? You don't know that

Quote from: David L on June 10, 2022, 12:58:29 PM

Quote from: Matt2112 on June 10, 2022, 12:11:19 PM

Quote from: David L on June 09, 2022, 11:52:39 PM

Quote from: Slim on June 09, 2022, 11:43:30 PMBut for a substantial minority, it isn't. And as we grow older, we're more likely to be in the minority.

And when I'm older and more vulnerable, I will probably be in the queue, confident that adequate time has passed for me to have made a more informed decision on the safety of the jab I'm about to receive.

How low does the risk have to get? 0.000000000000001%?

The risk of moderate to severe Covid symptoms manifesting themselves is far greater than any from any vaccine in circulation.

My seasonal flu jab last winter gave me far worse symptoms than any of my three Covid jabs - the plural of anecdote is not data, sure, but I don't believe I'm untypical.

If you're happy, I'm happy. Wouldn't dream of preventing you from exercising your freedom of choice

Likewise - I just find the rationale not to have the vaccine bizarre in principle, medical reasons notwithstanding of course.

Quote from: Slim on June 10, 2022, 12:14:58 PMLess anti-social, as well.

Yes, thinking about it, we should all do our bit. Most pension funds are heavily invested in pharma stocks

I have just had Covid for the first time... a sort throat for a day and the sniffles for three days. Timing was bad enough to cancel a holiday in Portugal mind..... I always liked the videos put up by Dr John Campbell. He was always banging on about Omicron being the best cure-all. I am personally glad I have finally had it. Feels like a belt and braces although there is no guarantee I can't get it again!!

Quote from: David L on June 10, 2022, 01:01:13 PM

Quote from: Slim on June 10, 2022, 12:14:58 PMYes, that's the important point. The vaccines are the safer option.

For me? You don't know that

The respective probabilities are such that it's safer.

Quote from: Slim on June 10, 2022, 06:53:21 PM

Quote from: David L on June 10, 2022, 01:01:13 PM

Quote from: Slim on June 10, 2022, 12:14:58 PMYes, that's the important point. The vaccines are the safer option.

For me? You don't know that

The respective probabilities are such that it's safer.

Yes, I can see then that you agree with me

That's encouraging.

Booster jabs now being offered for the 50+ in the Autumn. I will get mine as soon as I can, these new variants are beginning to concern me again, very transmissible and won't be long before there is another killer strain, added to that the NHS are struggling I may even go back to mask wearing. I think I have noted more shoppers in my Tesco with masks.

Quote from: Nick on July 15, 2022, 06:19:46 PMand won't be long before there is another killer strain

Really, what makes you say that?

Quote from: David L on July 15, 2022, 06:27:02 PM

Quote from: Nick on July 15, 2022, 06:19:46 PMand won't be long before there is another killer strain

Really, what makes you say that?

Darwin