Quote from: David L on October 10, 2023, 10:31:15 AM

Quote from: dom on October 10, 2023, 10:19:03 AMWhat draws you to that conclusion?  Heart issues largely caused by lifestyle choices (how much people eat and how active they are) has nothing to do with Covid whatsoever

Heart issues have been identified and acknowledged with Covid vaccines. Large increase in stroke, atrial fibrillation and cardiac arrests since the start of the vaccination program across all age groups. Hundreds of millions of vaccinations, possibly hundreds of thousands of heart issues
To suspect a link is not illogical. I think they could just be 'preparing the ground'

Oh, and I'm a deeply cynical person....can't help it (it's served me well over the years 😁😉)

What evidence is there that it's the covid vaccine causing the heart issues, rather than Covid itself.  It has been established that Covid 19 can affect the heart as well as the respiratory system

Quote from: David L on October 10, 2023, 10:31:15 AM

Quote from: dom on October 10, 2023, 10:19:03 AMWhat draws you to that conclusion?  Heart issues largely caused by lifestyle choices (how much people eat and how active they are) has nothing to do with Covid whatsoever

Heart issues have been identified and acknowledged with Covid vaccines. Large increase in stroke, atrial fibrillation and cardiac arrests since the start of the vaccination program across all age groups.

The heart issues that have been identified as related to the vaccines have been statistically insignificant and usually very mild, and the large increase in the ailments you describe in your second sentence are actually a consequence of the disease it guards against.

You could do with being a bit more cynical, in some respects.

Where are we up to after two years of evaluating the chances of severely adverse vaccine outcomes? 0.001%...?

I'm not trembling quite yet.

Quote from: Matt2112 on October 10, 2023, 12:37:53 PMWhere are we up to after two years of evaluating the chances of severely adverse vaccine outcomes? 0.001%...?

I'm not trembling quite yet.

Less than 10% of adverse events recorded

"For example, FDA believes that its system for gathering information about ADEs, the Adverse Event Reporting System (AERS), receives reports for only about 1 to 10 percent of all ADEs".

Define "adverse" (as opposed to "severe").

Quote from: Matt2112 on October 10, 2023, 01:37:23 PMDefine "adverse" (as opposed to "severe").

I'm sure you're not really interested   

Just happened upon this interesting piece on Talk TV (   ). A discussion on excess deaths involving a statistician. He seems to know his onions and gives an explanation as to why we are suffering from continuing excess deaths and why the majority are unlikely to be vaccine or covid related. However, he concedes there is an excess among a fairly young cohort that needs investigating. Sweden, where they have a highly vaccinated population but are not suffering a similar increase in excess deaths could help provide some answers (as it did with the issue of lockdowns)

Moderna (and flu jab) done this morning.

The potential of side effects (I had some light-headedness from previous Covid jabs) gives me the perfect excuse to spend the day with my feet up.

Bit of a sex pest but still funny

He refers to "the Wuhan lab leak" as though it were a fact rather than a conspiracy theory, and the most liked comment under his video argues that "The vaccine was not brought in for COVID, COVID was brought in for the vaccine".

The Internet promised so much, but it's led to thousands of people buying into idiotic ideas. Facebook is infested now with people who don't believe the Moon landings happened, don't believe the ISS is real and in some cases genuinely think the Earth is flat.

I wonder if there should be some sort of intelligence test you have to pass before you can post anything on the World Wide Web. It should be read-only for stupid people, for their own protection.

Quote from: David L on October 10, 2023, 07:44:49 PMJust happened upon this interesting piece on Talk TV (   ). A discussion on excess deaths involving a statistician. He seems to know his onions and gives an explanation as to why we are suffering from continuing excess deaths and why the majority are unlikely to be vaccine or covid related. However, he concedes there is an excess among a fairly young cohort that needs investigating. Sweden, where they have a highly vaccinated population but are not suffering a similar increase in excess deaths could help provide some answers (as it did with the issue of lockdowns)

Just spotted wonder what "onchologists" are?

Quote from: dom on November 03, 2023, 02:41:32 PM

Quote from: David L on October 10, 2023, 07:44:49 PMJust happened upon this interesting piece on Talk TV (   ). A discussion on excess deaths involving a statistician. He seems to know his onions and gives an explanation as to why we are suffering from continuing excess deaths and why the majority are unlikely to be vaccine or covid related. However, he concedes there is an excess among a fairly young cohort that needs investigating. Sweden, where they have a highly vaccinated population but are not suffering a similar increase in excess deaths could help provide some answers (as it did with the issue of lockdowns)

Just spotted wonder what "onchologists" are?

Dyslexia....probably

Researchers at Yale identify a post-vaccine syndrome. Some may recognise some of the symptoms. All may recognise none. Interesting nevertheless

This is an awful story. In 2021 a man named Shaul Goncalves, his mother (65 years old) and his dad (73) all died in hospital with COVID, within seven days of each other.

By now you've probably guessed what they had in common apart from being members of the same immediate family: they'd refused the vaccines.

So Shaul's brother Francis, who had been vaccinated and consequently was still alive shares their story online, to encourage people not to dodge the jabs.

Then in the various social media he gets accused of making it up or of working for the government. And he gets death threats, and threats to harm his family.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67559629

That is awful. We are really living in a terribly polarised society.