Quote from: David L on August 17, 2023, 12:51:09 PM

Quote from: Matt2112 on August 17, 2023, 11:54:28 AM

Quote from: David L on August 17, 2023, 08:26:45 AMGet masked up, get your jab. Sage says so

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/new-covid-variant-eris-masks-rules-b2394433.html

It's actually "Independent Sage", led by the pretty-much-always-wrong-about-everything fear-porn merchant Christina Pagel, who has zero qualifications in virology, immunology etc etc.  She's a finger-wagging mathematical modeller with a weird obsession in splurging out worst case scenarios and catastrophist narratives to every media platform available.  Think the female Neil Ferguson but with even less credibility.

Were the 'other' SAGE not independent?
Or did they exist solely to justify government policy?

They just appeared to be the Lite version of Pagel's lot much of the time.

Quote from: David L on August 17, 2023, 12:51:09 PMWere the 'other' SAGE not independent?
Or did they exist solely to justify government policy?

They exist (present tense) to inform government policy.

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies

Quote from: Slim on August 17, 2023, 07:49:47 PM

Quote from: David L on August 17, 2023, 12:51:09 PMWere the 'other' SAGE not independent?
Or did they exist solely to justify government policy?

They exist (present tense) to inform government policy.

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies

That was a shame

In the credible analysis that exists separately from the fringe / crank opinions you're fond of, they did a very valuable job and saved countless lives.

Quote from: Slim on August 08, 2023, 09:38:05 PMClearly the risk to myself and others has changed substantially since the last time I was immunised, but is it low enough to give the vaccine a pass? I don't know but I'll be interested to consider the government's decision in greater detail than I have at the moment.

If you were in the US, the government would be recommending that you get your autumn booster. I wonder if the US science is different to the UK science?

An interesting clip from the Senate Health, Labour and Pensions Committee hearing where Moderna CEO admits to providing the NIH with $400m last year.
Well done to that well-known crank, Rand Paul

Here's a little quiz:

Moderna has pad the NIH $400m. Is it because:

• they partly used government-funded research to develop life-saving vaccines, and they've been required to make a payment under a licence agreement, or
• they've bribed the US government to force an unnecessary and hazardous medical intervention on the entire population

Quote from: Slim on August 19, 2023, 09:39:42 AMHere's a little quiz:
l
Moderna has pad the NIH $400m. Is it because:

• they partly used government-funded research to develop life-saving vaccines, and they've been required to make a payment under a licence agreement, or
• they've bribed the US government to force an unnecessary and hazardous medical intervention on the entire population

Whatever,  it's sure to be the taxpayer that gets shafted ultimately - as discussed, rather amusingly, here:


A quiz for you, Slim. Autumn booster? Because:

• the CDC are recommending you have it, or
• the JCVI believe it's not necessary for you to have it

or have you already chosen to ignore the advice of one of those organisations?

furphy
/ˈfəːfi/
nounINFORMAL•AUSTRALIAN
a rumour or story, especially one that is untrue or absurd.

Quote from: David L on August 28, 2023, 10:40:44 PMA quiz for you, Slim. Autumn booster? Because:

• the CDC are recommending you have it, or
• the JCVI believe it's not necessary for you to have it

or have you already chosen to ignore the advice of one of those organisations?

The CDC haven't recommended that I have it. I don't live in the USA. Furthermore, the JCVI haven't advised anyone not to get an Autumn booster, so I wouldn't be ignoring anyone's advice if I did.

I'd like you to stop repeatedly asking about my own personal choice with respect to the vaccines. Furthermore, I don't have time to argue with tin foilers or take part in the proverbial chess game against pigeons. If this thread becomes nothing more than a running soap opera of conspiracy theories and misinformation, I'll either lock it or start deleting posts.

Quote from: Slim on August 30, 2023, 09:41:47 AM

Quote from: David L on August 28, 2023, 10:40:44 PMA quiz for you, Slim. Autumn booster? Because:

• the CDC are recommending you have it, or
• the JCVI believe it's not necessary for you to have it

or have you already chosen to ignore the advice of one of those organisations?

The CDC haven't recommended that I have it. I don't live in the USA. Furthermore, the JCVI haven't advised anyone not to get an Autumn booster, so I wouldn't be ignoring anyone's advice if I did.

I'd like you to stop repeatedly asking about my own personal choice with respect to the vaccines. Furthermore, I don't have time to argue with tin foilers or take part in the proverbial chess game against pigeons. If this thread becomes nothing more than a running soap opera of conspiracy theories and misinformation, I'll either lock it or start deleting posts.

Is it 'personal choice' now?
I'm sure that being on the horns of a dilemma can make one grouchy


Deleting posts is the way these discussions are usually controlled, I believe
 

Quote from: David L on August 30, 2023, 10:21:36 AMIs it 'personal choice' now?
 

Apparently it isn't. I've just heard that this year, if you're outside one of the risk groups, it won't be possible to get the vaccine privately.

Living in Scotland I think I'll still be offered 'flu and covid vaccinations as I have an underlying health issue. I haven't received an appointment date as yet, but I'm hoping that's because the research indicates that most benefit is gained within the first three months, therefore those eligible are being called later to provide the most over winter protection.

Quote from: Slim on September 01, 2023, 01:31:48 PM

Quote from: David L on August 30, 2023, 10:21:36 AMIs it 'personal choice' now?
 

Apparently it isn't. I've just heard that this year, if you're outside one of the risk groups, it won't be possible to get the vaccine privately.

Disappointed? Are you wishing you were living in the US?

Quote from: David L on September 01, 2023, 04:26:17 PMDisappointed? Are you wishing you were living in the US?

A little disappointed, yes. However in my view there are many reasons to prefer not to live in the US, and for me these outweigh having my vaccine choice negated in one particular autumn.

Invitation for Covid and flu jabs just arrived.

Technically I'm in a clinical risk group, even though my "cerebrovascular accident" - almost 8 years ago now - was described at the time as statistically "almost freakish". And nowadays my risk is even smaller as I take common meds and had an occluder inserted into my atrial septum. 😏

But I'll probably just have both vaccines as usual.