Quote from: Slim on September 25, 2023, 08:18:50 PMThat "Nazi" word is doing some mighty heavy lifting there. Millions of Germans served in the armed forces under the Nazis.

Actually if you do a bit of reading, the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division has an interesting history. They only undertook an oath of allegiance to Hitler on the condition that it was based on their fight against the Russians. The formation of the division was conditional on the stipulation that it would not be used to fight the Western allies. There was no Nazi indoctrination. And it was viewed by the Ukrainian public as a stepping stone toward their independence.

In essence, a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)

Hmmm, seemed offensive enough to the Jewish community.

You might not know as much as them....but you probably know waaaaay more than the floppy-haired fascist 
  

BBC Newsnight this evening:

"The Ukranian counter-offensive has failed to dramatically breakthrough"

If the BBC are describing the progress in those terms, you can bet the reality for the poor Ukranian forces is even more sobering

Quote from: David L on September 26, 2023, 11:02:42 PMBBC Newsnight this evening:

"The Ukranian counter-offensive has failed to dramatically breakthrough"

If the BBC are describing the progress in those terms, you can bet the reality for the poor Ukranian forces is even more sobering

But it might well be making incremental breakthroughs. Which could lead to bigger ones. To think Putler thought he'd roll over Ukraine in a few days.

I think Russell is a long way off the money there, as usual. Putin has considered Ukraine to be part of Russian territory since before he came to power and his claim that "NATO knew that their actions and expansions would lead to this war" merely based on something Putin is supposed to have ranted is weapons grade bollocks.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/jean-claude-juncker-ukraine-corruption-eu-accession/

Quote from: David L on October 06, 2023, 11:41:07 AM 

https://www.politico.eu/article/jean-claude-juncker-ukraine-corruption-eu-accession/

Pot meet Kettle 

Germays has refused to supply Ukraine with long-range Taurus missiles.
Wise move IMHO

Oh look, they've found a 'fall guy' for the destruction of Nordstream 

https://www.euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/news/ukrainian-officer-coordinated-nord-stream-attack-washington-post/

Of course, no one is interested anymore....conveniently. And I'm sure many wouldn't equate this murky episode with their struggle to pay their bills

Hysterical straw man nonsense. The essential argument for supporting the war in Ukraine is the simple fact that Russia invaded it.

Quote from: Slim on February 14, 2024, 10:55:57 AMHysterical straw man nonsense. The essential argument for supporting the war in Ukraine is the simple fact that Russia invaded it.

There's nothing simple about that conflict

Yeah, Putin's just misunderstood. He wouldn't murder anyone on British soil, steal Ukrainian children or lock up his political enemies for decades, would he?

Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on February 14, 2024, 12:01:19 PMYeah, Putin's just misunderstood. He wouldn't murder anyone on British soil, steal Ukrainian children or lock up his political enemies for decades, would he?

He has done all of that, of course. Very bad man. But do the Ukranians deserve to lose a generation and have their country turned to a wasteland because the US say it's worth it? Even if the US government say they are prepared to spend as much as it takes, for as long as it takes, their citizens will disagree. As in most cases a negotiation is how this will end, the alternative is too bleak to contemplate.

Quote from: David L on February 14, 2024, 01:51:01 PMHe has done all of that, of course. Very bad man. But do the Ukranians deserve to lose a generation and have their country turned to a wasteland because the US say it's worth it?

Another straw man.