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Started by David L, April 24, 2022, 09:47:13 AM

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The Picnic Wasp

I have a large goblet shaped beer glass, etched with the Camden restaurant name Belgo which I visited a few times in the 90s. I stupidly don't use it as it holds many happy memories and I'm worried it gets broken.

The Picnic Wasp

Quote from: Matt2112 on October 13, 2023, 11:30:46 PMI've found that San Miguel is still pretty good out of an Erdinger glass.

Is it really bad that I enjoyed a few recently straight from the can?

David L

Quote from: Matt2112 on October 13, 2023, 11:30:46 PMI've found that San Miguel is still pretty good out of an Erdinger glass.
Whilst in Menorca researching Estrella Damm beer, I found out that San Miguel was established in Manilla, Phillipines. Surprised me, that did

David L

Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on October 13, 2023, 11:40:28 PM
Quote from: Matt2112 on October 13, 2023, 11:30:46 PMI've found that San Miguel is still pretty good out of an Erdinger glass.

Is it really bad that I enjoyed a few recently straight from the can?
I was always dead against tinned beer but, of course, it tastes exactly the same as the bottled equivalent. Drinking from a can though is only to be done in an emergency IMHO as it always fizzes up the contents (as does drinking from the bottle). Having spent most of the 90s drinking from bottles, I'm now sure that all beer is best enjoyed from a glass.

The Picnic Wasp

Quote from: David L on October 14, 2023, 12:30:22 AM
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on October 13, 2023, 11:40:28 PM
Quote from: Matt2112 on October 13, 2023, 11:30:46 PMI've found that San Miguel is still pretty good out of an Erdinger glass.

Is it really bad that I enjoyed a few recently straight from the can?
I was always dead against tinned beer but, of course, it tastes exactly the same as the bottled equivalent. Drinking from a can though is only to be done in an emergency IMHO as it always fizzes up the contents (as does drinking from the bottle). Having spent most of the 90s drinking from bottles, I'm now sure that all beer is best enjoyed from a glass.

Based purely on unsolicited YouTube shorts (on which I now survive) beer is fresher when stored in a can as no light or air can enter. With bottles, no air, but quite a lot of light which damages taste. Apparently, which a word I hate hearing others start a sentence with, the best way to serve beer is by the German method of pouring straight down into the base of the glass and allowing the gas to escape before drinking. Thus allowing proper ingestion and reducing gastric complications. Another very interesting YT snippet was from Slovakia where they have three different methods of pouring draught beer. The first horrific example was entirely froth which they call milk and is loved by woman drinkers. There was a middle half and half version which I can't remember the name of, but the nearest to my preference was the tourist version which was mostly golden nectar, still retaining fizz, with a reasonable sized head. So there you go.

Matt2112

The Seville beer Cruzcampo seems to be popping up in bars and clubs everywhere, from nowhere. 

It's pretty good too! A bit smoother and lesser-bodied than San Miguel and has a lovely, crisp refreshing finish.

I prefer the current range of Spanish beers on the circuit to the Italian ones (Moretti, Peroni etc), though those are very quaffable also.

David L

Quote from: Matt2112 on October 14, 2023, 08:10:07 AMThe Seville beer Cruzcampo seems to be popping up in bars and clubs everywhere, from nowhere. 

It's pretty good too! A bit smoother and lesser-bodied than San Miguel and has a lovely, crisp refreshing finish.

I prefer the current range of Spanish beers on the circuit to the Italian ones (Moretti, Peroni etc), though those are very quaffable also.
I think the prevalence of different lagers is mostly down to the large drinks companies deciding to push them with big advertising campaigns. They seem to like a turnover of different beers from the continent. In recent years we have seen large promotions for Amstel, Peroni, Moretti, Estrella and Madri. This obviously works for them as a business model. I get the feeling they could sell anything they wanted to if they invested enough in it (a return for Hofmeister?) For me though, these lagers are much of a muchness which is why I am a committed real ale/craft beer fan (and Camra member to boot).

Slim

Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on October 14, 2023, 02:39:27 AMBased purely on unsolicited YouTube shorts (on which I now survive) beer is fresher when stored in a can as no light or air can enter. With bottles, no air, but quite a lot of light which damages taste.

I never drink canned beer, it doesn't taste as good as beer from a bottle. It actually tastes a bit wrong to me. A bit tainted. Always assumed that the bottle keeps the beer fresher than a can but I suppose a double blind test might be a fun experiment.

Not knocking anyone's opinion because it's definitely a matter of taste but I can't bear that British real ale slop. If ever I buy a brown-looking beer in a pub I always end up regretting it.

I do, probably because I like them, discern a difference between the likes of Peroni, Amstel, San Miguel et al. They all have a different character.
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Slim

Quote from: Slim on October 14, 2023, 09:58:03 AM
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on October 14, 2023, 02:39:27 AMBased purely on unsolicited YouTube shorts (on which I now survive) beer is fresher when stored in a can as no light or air can enter. With bottles, no air, but quite a lot of light which damages taste.

I never drink canned beer, it doesn't taste as good as beer from a bottle. It actually tastes a bit wrong to me. A bit tainted. Always assumed that the bottle keeps the beer fresher than a can but I suppose a double blind test might be a fun experiment.

Not knocking anyone's opinion because it's definitely a matter of taste but I can't bear that British real ale slop. If ever I buy a brown-looking beer in a pub I always end up regretting it.

I do, probably because I like them, discern a difference between the likes of Peroni, Amstel, San Miguel et al. They all have a different character.

Seems I'm not alone in this:

https://www.mdpi.com/2306-5710/2/4/25

The results of the preliminary study largely support the anecdotal reports suggesting that people think that a beer tastes better from a bottle (see Table 1). Specifically, 61.29% believed that a beer tastes better from a bottle, 27.42% that a beer tastes the same from a bottle or a can, and 11.29% that it tastes better from a can.

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David L

Quote from: Slim on October 14, 2023, 09:58:03 AMNot knocking anyone's opinion because it's definitely a matter of taste but I can't bear that British real ale slop. If ever I buy a brown-looking beer in a pub I always end up regretting it.


Reminds me of the Hobgoblin advert:

"What's the matter lagerboy, afraid you might taste something?"


Slim

Yes! Something like the contents of the mop bucket after they've cleaned out the vats at the Marmite factory.
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The Picnic Wasp

Quote from: Slim on October 15, 2023, 10:52:47 AMYes! Something like the contents of the mop bucket after they've cleaned out the vats at the Marmite factory.

There has to be a way we can get you on to Saturday Kitchen Live.
😂

The Picnic Wasp

Picked up a couple of bottles of Hobgoblin Ruby in my usual weekend lager shop. Have to say I'm really enjoying them. Seem lighter in taste than when I've tried it before and I notice it is only 5.0% ABV which I think is less than my previous experience with it. Suits me to be honest. It takes away that heavy overbearing lava sensation that some darker beers deliver. Expecting a sore head tomorrow which lagers don't seem to give me. Well, at least the clocks go back to assist recovery.

David L

Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on October 28, 2023, 09:15:16 PMPicked up a couple of bottles of Hobgoblin Ruby in my usual weekend lager shop. Have to say I'm really enjoying them. Seem lighter in taste than when I've tried it before and I notice it is only 5.0% ABV which I think is less than my previous experience with it. Suits me to be honest. It takes away that heavy overbearing lava sensation that some darker beers deliver. Expecting a sore head tomorrow which lagers don't seem to give me. Well, at least the clocks go back to assist recovery.
You mean you like the taste of the contents of the mop bucket after they've been cleaning out the vats at the marmite factory?

The Picnic Wasp

Quote from: David L on October 29, 2023, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on October 28, 2023, 09:15:16 PMPicked up a couple of bottles of Hobgoblin Ruby in my usual weekend lager shop. Have to say I'm really enjoying them. Seem lighter in taste than when I've tried it before and I notice it is only 5.0% ABV which I think is less than my previous experience with it. Suits me to be honest. It takes away that heavy overbearing lava sensation that some darker beers deliver. Expecting a sore head tomorrow which lagers don't seem to give me. Well, at least the clocks go back to assist recovery.
You mean you like the taste of the contents of the mop bucket after they've been cleaning out the vats at the marmite factory?

It would appear so. My worst beer experience was in my formative years as a drinker. I sometimes stayed in on a Friday night if I was working the next day. My routine was very organised and almost brings a tear of happiness to my eye when I think about it. I would skip my usual evening meal and head out for my night's supplies. These would be enjoyed watching Cheers before I donned my headphones to listen to Tommy Vance, always hoping there would be a new Rush release. The night he played Time Stand Still is a night I shall never forget. I usually stopped at a local off licence close to a kebab shop where I would buy a large donner. I'd usually buy a few lagers like Labatt or Furstenburg or anything I hadn't tried before. However, one evening I took a detour when I noticed a new shop called Farmer George's. It was a kind of deli run by a young guy and stocked weird and wonderful provisions including alcohol. I picked up a few familiar beers but noticed bottles called EKU 28 and bought a couple of those too. Got home and couldn't wait to try my new find. Good Lord! It was vile. 11% ABV (I just looked it up as memory failed me). Thick, malty muck which reminded me of Virol, a vitamin supplement I was given as an infant. I think that it made me a confirmed lager man, but to be honest if you could only get mop bucket contents, I'd probably drink it.